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Sunday, May 27, 2012

Re: When you attack a country,INNOCENT people die and suffer.

Here's an example of a bush lie:

"Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes
used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon."
- President Bush, Speech Before the United Nations
http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_aluminum.php


On May 22, 11:13 am, "Tom" <boldsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>         What exactly would his lie have been?  That he believed that they
> had WMDs or that WMDs formed his rationale for invading?  If all
> intelligence agencies worldwide with which we had cooperation said that
> their best estimate was that he did and if Saddam himself stated that he
> did, what lie did Bush tell us?  If it was that the basis for the invasion
> was solely the presence of WMDs that would be a falsehood, not on Bush's
> head but on the heads of those who so stated since Bush's statements
> concerning the reason for invading listed approximately 21 reasons and not
> just WMDs.
>
>         That is where any claims of culpability for violating Use of Force
> requirements falls short and devolves into a political snipe hunt rather
> than an honest evaluation of fact.  BTW, discovery of 500 drums of chemical
> weapons, whether they were old and present prior to 1991 or not, is the
> discovery of 500 drums of chemical weapons.  As for the claims that they
> would no longer have constituted a threat, my training and experience as an
> RN, as a graduate of USAMRRID's Management of Chemical Casualties course,
> and as a former trained Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare defense
> officer tells me how ill informed those who claimed that particular point
> are in reality.  One of the first things I learned in NBC school was the
> story of the French Farmer from Ypres, France who was clearing one of his
> fields of trees in 1954.  He took a break and sat for a while on the stump
> of one of the trees that he had felled.  Three hours later he was in the
> local Emergency Room with Mustard gas induced chemical burns of his buttocks
> and upper legs. Ypres was the site of the first use of chemical agents by
> the Germans in 1915 and mustard gas was one of the agents used there.
>
> Tom
>
> "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
> The Shit has hit the Fan"
> "Hiding in Honduras"
> - Warren Zevon
>
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> [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:42 AM
> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
> Subject: Re: When you attack a country,INNOCENT people die and suffer.
>
> I think if you were to ask George Bush why he invaded Iraq, he would say "we
> thought they had weapons of mass destruction", which would be a lie, of
> course.
>
> So what's the real reason he invaded Iraq? The short answer is corporate
> profits.
>
> On May 22, 7:48 am, OccupySpring <soprano.olivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bush had NO REASON to attack Iraq.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta-khdm8SJA&feature=related
>
> > Be sure to read the comments, remember you tube is global and people
> > from many countries can make comments.
>
> > How did you feel during 9/11, Now multiply that by a 1000 fold and
> > thats what we did to the innocent people in Iraq.
>
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