and GEO you southern PROTESTANT you ain't GOD the FATHER
fact is your FILTH ;o) yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cause your PROTESTANT
now don't get bent all out of shape about it
cause you know you're guilty OF EVERYTHANG yyyyyyyyyyy cause you're PROTESTANT
now put your gun down HICK, TRAILER TRASH, GOOD OLE BOY, RED NECK, HONKY
AND HIDE ;O)))))))))))))
On 5/29/12, geoffrey theist <gtheist957@gmail.com> wrote:
> you are right they choose to be gay or to engage in deviant sex .
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:20 AM, OccupySpring
> <soprano.olivia07@gmail.com>wrote:
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>> God doesnt make people gay, Just like God doesnt make people
>> Republican. They have brain damage, and that usually occurs because of
>> toxins in the environment.
>>
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>> > A Rare Haven for Gay Men and Lesbians in Harlem
>> > Ozier Muhammad/The New York Times<
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/nyregion/black-gay-men-and-lesbians...>
>> >
>> > While adhering to many traditions of black churches, Rivers at Rehoboth
>> has
>> > made ministry to gay men and lesbians its mission.
>> > By GERREN KEITH GAYNORPublished: May 27, 2012
>> >
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>> > In a church nestled among a row of residential brownstones,
>> > parishioners
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>> > Vanessa M. Brown, far left, who is gay, is the church's senior pastor
>> > and
>> > preaches what she calls a "radically inclusive" message. "God doesn't
>> make
>> > any junk," she said said. "He made us knowing who we were going to be
>> > before we were it."
>> >
>> > "Aren't you glad Jesus got up?" the woman, Twanna Gause, asked the
>> > predominantly black congregation, which responded with enthusiastic
>> shouts
>> > of "Amen" and "Hallelujah."
>> >
>> > "He got up so I can come out," Ms. Gause said, as worshipers hopped out
>> of
>> > their seats and cheered in agreement. "He got up so you can come out."
>> >
>> > For black Christians who are gay and lesbian, church can be a daunting
>> > experience, where on any given Sunday they are taught that
>> > homosexuality
>> is
>> > not only a sin, but a one-way ticket<
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/nyregion/black-gay-men-and-lesbians...>
>> to
>> > hell. That alienation has been a benefit for the Rivers at Rehoboth
>> > congregation, in Harlem, which has made ministry to gay men and
>> > lesbians,
>> > combined with the worship traditions of black churches, its mission.
>> >
>> > The congregation was formed by the merger of two churches, Rivers of
>> > Living Faith andRehoboth Temple <http://www.rehobothtemple.com/>. The
>> > pastor of Rivers, Vanessa M. Brown, 41, is a lesbian, and the pastor of
>> > Rehoboth, Joseph Tolton, 45, is gay, and both were born and raised in
>> > Harlem. Their merged congregation rents space out of Grace
>> > Congregational
>> > Church on West 139th Street, where Mr. Tolton's former church worshiped
>> for
>> > four years.
>> >
>> > Ms. Brown, the church's senior pastor and Ms. Gause's partner, preaches
>> > what she calls a "radically inclusive" message, while Mr. Tolton, the
>> > associate<
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/nyregion/black-gay-men-and-lesbians...>
>> pastor,
>> > offers as a mantra the phrase "Gay by God."
>> >
>> > "God doesn't make any junk," Ms. Brown said. "He made us knowing who we
>> > were going to be before we were it."
>> >
>> > Only "small segments" of black church leaders openly welcome gay men
>> > and
>> > lesbians in their congregations, according to Lawrence H. Mamiya<
>> http://religion.vassar.edu/bios/mamiya.html>,
>> > a professor of religion at VassarCollege<
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/nyregion/black-gay-men-and-lesbians...>
>> who
>> > has researched black churches.
>> >
>> > "There's also a large majority that doesn't," Mr. Mamiya said.
>> >
>> > As evidence, he said that many black churches supported a ballot
>> > measure
>> > barring same-sex marriage<
>> http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/same_s...>
>> in
>> > California.
>> >
>> > "That gives you some indication of how strong the opposition is," he
>> said.
>> >
>> > But there have been some signs of change. This month, the board of the
>> > N.A.A.C.P. voted to express its support for same-sex marriage.<
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/20/us/politics/naacp-endorses-same-sex...>
>> >
>> > Rivers at Rehoboth is attended by an average of 200 members each
>> > Sunday.
>> On
>> > Easter, ushers had to place folding chairs next to pews to accommodate
>> > visitors, some of whom had traveled from as far as Italy and Australia.
>> >
>> > Both pastors speak openly about their own experiences struggling with
>> > sexuality as black Christians.
>> >
>> > Mr. Tolton said that for over 20 years, he believed his sexual
>> orientation
>> > was a spiritual demon from which he needed to be saved. As a young man,
>> he
>> > asked clergy to pray for him to be straight.
>> >
>> > Mr. Tolton said he left his church after a friend told him he could not
>> be
>> > the best man at his wedding because he is gay.
>> >
>> > "It broke my heart," Mr. Tolton said.
>> >
>> > Ms. Brown said she, too, struggled with the church's stance on
>> > homosexuality.
>> >
>> > She said she married a man who was gay, to help him cover up his
>> sexuality
>> > and protect his image in the church. But Ms. Brown divorced him after
>> > growing tired of living a lie, she said.
>> >
>> > "I was ruining my own self," she said. "I wasn't happy."
>> >
>> > Many members of the Rivers at Rehoboth have their own stories.
>> >
>> > Derrick Smith, 26, who found out that he had contracted H.I.V. shortly
>> > before joining Mr. Tolton's church in 2007, said he had been asked to
>> step
>> > down as the organist at his former church in the Bronx when he told
>> people
>> > of his sexuality. He said he learned about Mr. Tolton's church on a
>> > promotional postcard at a support clinic for gay black men in East
>> Harlem.
>> > After a couple of visits, Mr. Smith joined the church and has been an
>> > active member since. He now serves as the church's sound technician.
>> >
>> > "I believe it helped save my life," Mr. Smith said.
>> >
>> > Julie Chisolm-May, who attends the church with her wife, Stacey, said
>> > before joining Rivers at Rehoboth, they attended separate churches for
>> > about eight years because of the glares they would get from people when
>> > they were together. Ms. Chisolm-May said if she and her wife had not
>> found
>> > Rivers at Rehoboth, they would probably be worshiping from their
>> > bedroom,
>> > watching ministers preach on television.
>> >
>> > "It's the safest place to go without being condemned at the end of
>> > service," she said.
>> >
>> > Now, she said, her entire family attends the church, including her six
>> > adult children, and her 74-year-old mother, who changed her views on
>> > homosexuality when she joined the congregation.
>> >
>> > The pastors say they are now looking for a larger space in which to
>> expand.
>> >
>> > "We want people to know that they are loved, there's a safe space for
>> them
>> > in the house of God," Ms. Brown said, "where they can truly worship the
>> > Lord and be their authentic selves."
>> > A version of this article appeared in print on May 28, 2012, on page
>> > A15
>> of
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>> > Lesbians in Harlem.
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