Re: Putin and Obama, the Bobbsey Twins - How Did the U.S.S.R an the U.S. Get Them?

I read the article by james lewis above I didn't see any reference to
Russia or putin being muslim. if ISIS has 88 lbs of radio active
material found in Iraq which I personally don't believe, that would
make bush and Obama a couple of idiots for leaving it there. after all
did we not engage in a war to rid the world of Iraqi wmd's

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM, 'Lynne Kelly' via Open Debate
Political Forum IMHO <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Someone definitely slept thru history class on this one. Russia and Putin
> are Russian Orthodox, which is an eastern descendent of the Roman Church.
> When Rome fell in 450AD, the city of power became Kiev. Under the Russian
> Tsars more eastern traditions were added, changing details like making the
> sign on the cross with three fingers instead of two. A different cross was
> adopted. The major teachings are Christian. The observed holidays are
> Christian. Anyone publishing an article claiming Putin is a Muslim has
> overdosed on Fox.
>
> Ever helpful, Lynne
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 29, 2014, at 5:56 AM, "'lew' via Open Debate Political Forum IMHO"
> <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Putin and Obama, the Bobbsey Twins - How Did the U.S.S.R an the U.S. Get
> Them?
>
> By James Lewis
> americanthinker.com
>
> For half a millennium the Russian Tsars proudly proclaimed themselves to be
> guardians of Christian civilization against barbarian invasions from the
> Asian steppes and the Muslim Middle East. Although the Tsars generally
> excluded Catholics from their benevolent protection, their claim to protect
> European Christianity was not totally wrong. Just as the Pope of Rome traces
> his legitimacy to the Apostle Peter, so the Russian Orthodox Church, the
> established church of Tsarist Russia, traces its lineage to the Byzantine
> Empire, beginning three centuries after Jesus of Nazareth. For all its
> faults, Tsarist Russia buffered the West against worse threats.
>
> This history is important today because Putin is trying to reclaim the
> Tsarist legacy. Rumor has it that he likes to be called "Tsar" by his inner
> circle. He has regular photo ops with the Patriarch of Moscow, surrounded by
> the glittering bling of the Byzantine past. The choral music of Russia --
> often magnificent -- can be traced to Constantinople.
> Fast forward a thousand years, and you can now see Putin's presidential
> website at the Kremlin, trying to look modern, peaceful, and enlightened.
> The regime has gone to great lengths to show the world a smiling face.
>
> And yet, Putin has totally blown his PR campaign by his bloody actions in
> the Ukraine. This at a time when Europe desperately needs a protective
> power, because it is once again at the mercy of a hyperaggressive Islamic
> war theology, the faith of ancient desert pirates.
>
> The very idea of Europe was formed historically in a war of resistance
> against North African Muslim invaders of Spain and France. The first
> European epic is the Song of Roland, which celebrates the martyrdom of
> Knight Roland against the treacherous Saracens. The Crusades were arguably a
> prolonged defensive war against Muslim invaders, who were inspired by
> exactly the same thinking we see today from Hamas and ISIS.
>
> Islamic reactionary cults are carbon copies of their forebears a thousand
> years ago. Those ancient warrior cults have kept the Muslim world mired in
> the dysfunctional past. Every so often a leader like Ataturk attempts to
> modernize one country or another, only to be reversed several decades later.
> Today we are living in the Greatest Islamic Reversal, as modernist Muslims
> everywhere feel besieged by the self-destructive barbarism of the past.
>
> Putin is a lifelong expert on Western Europe, beginning from his years as
> KGB rezident in East Germany. The KGB ran spies all the way into the West
> German prime minister's office. They penetrated the UK with the Cambridge
> spies, and scattered spies and agents of influence in American media,
> government agencies, and universities. Putin knows the West like the back of
> his hand. He knows our decadence, and he respects our power -- when we show
> the will to exercise it.
>
> Today, Europe desperately needs a protective power, and under Obama, America
> is walking away from its former allies. A new modernist Russia could have
> filled the role of a reasonable protector of the wobbly nations of Europe,
> with all the benefits that would accrue -- but Putin has just blown his
> chance. He has proven that he can never be trusted.
>
> With the rise of a self-proclaimed terrorist caliphate in Iraq and Syria,
> right next door to an equally mad near-nuclear power in Iran, we are seeing
> a predictable WMD race spreading to the whole Middle East. Those nations are
> practically next door to Russia.
>
> Vladimir Putin seems to think he is somehow immune from trouble from the
> south. Well, ISIS now has 88 pounds of radioactive metal, enough to make a
> dirty bomb. Saudi Arabia has a standing order for advanced nukes and
> missiles from Pakistan. Nobody so far has devised a convincing defense
> against a nuclear attack from a maniac regime.
>
> And yet -- instead of protecting his threatened southern flank from
> nuclear-armed maniacs, Vladimir Putin is destroying his credibility in the
> West, which is no threat to him. Putin is living in the Soviet past, a fatal
> error for any would-be statesman.
>
> His shrewd strategic sense that we saw in play only months ago has now
> yielded to a primitive urge for emotional revenge against the West.
>
> None of this makes any sense, because Putin has a commodity much more
> precious than oil and gas: Of all the nations of Europe, only Moscow is
> ready, willing, and able to fight Islamic aggression. It has shown as much
> in Chechnya. The whole world is therefore running precisely the risk
> predicted by Bush and Cheney: Suicidal terrorists with space-age weapons.
> That horse is now out of the barn, thanks to Obama's deliberate inaction.
> Recent news indicates that Obama and Qatar (a truly primitive regime) have
> backed the new Al Qaida "Caliphate" in Iraq and Syria. In typical Obama
> fashion, he picks the most barbaric and destructive players to secretly
> support. We can see the same pattern of behavior at our southern border,
> where the Sinaloa Cartel now controls more than the U.S. Border Patrol.
> Obama always makes things worse, and in that respect, Putin is his long-lost
> twin brother.
>
> Ten years from now Russian oil and gas will be a drug on the market, with
> fracking and other new extraction methods turning a third of the world into
> energy exporters. Ten years from now Russia will have no economic advantage
> left, and Putin knows that. But somehow the Kremlin still doesn't realize
> that a renewed Russia could once again become the protector of civilization
> against barbarism. Putin's emotional need for revenge upsets all rational
> calculations.
>
> When Putin outmaneuvered Obama on Assad's chemical weapons, he demonstrated
> a strong strategic capability. But now a different, more primitive Tsar has
> blown it in the eyes of the world. He has done it so brutally, cynically,
> and sadistically that he no longer looks smart or civilized. Putin is
> engaged in a shadow-play of his own imagining. This is not smart. In
> Russian, it's nyekulturniye -- uncivilized.
>
> Like Obama, Putin follows a revenge narrative. Obama's Third World Socialism
> is an ego-satisfying emotional rampage against Western imperialism, which
> spluttered out sixty ago, long before Barack Obama was even born. The
> British Empire is gone, but Obama has an irrational need to refight the Mau
> Mau rebellion in Kenya. That is why he constantly needs to show the fickle
> finger of fate to mainstream Americans. In his mind, America still needs to
> be punished for slavery -- which Abraham Lincoln abolished in 1865.
>
> Obama's obsession with exacting revenge for European imperialism is a little
> bit mad, to say the least.
>
> Yet, in their latest brutalities, Putin and his agents echo the same revenge
> motive. There is no strategic rationale for sending Russian Buk
> anti-aircraft missiles to the trigger-happy rabble of phony Ukrainians
> serving Putin's cause. Today, Putin's henchmen have shot down, not just the
> Malaysian airliner, but also two Ukrainian air force jets, defending their
> internationally recognized sovereign territory. Russian artillery is now
> bombarding Ukrainian soil. Therefore Putin, too, is being drawn into a
> cesspool of ancient resentments, the remote echoes of causes that no sane
> person supports anymore.
>
> All this is shortsighted, emotionally driven, and self-damaging. Russia is
> deeply in debt, and desperately needs more trade and investment. But Europe
> has been scared into looking for other sources of oil and gas, thereby
> undermining Putin's high-priced product.
>
> Moscow has just blown a chance to reduce American influence in Western
> Europe. The new Tsar has inadvertently strengthened NATO, and even bolstered
> the weak-kneed Europeans. If a Republican administration is elected in time,
> NATO will almost surely send "tripwire" contingents of troops to the Ukraine
> and surrounding nations. At some point the West will call his bluff.
>
> If God has a sense of irony he is surely chuckling at two world leaders,
> both immensely ego-driven, unable to control their emotions, in love with
> themselves, and defeating their own purposes. The Chicago pol and the KGB
> colonel are making nasty faces at each other in a funhouse mirror.
>
> Serious nations need clear-thinking, mature, down-to-earth leaders. Somehow
> America and Russia have blundered into extremely risky leaders who can't
> think straight.
>
> Here's hoping that sensible people will throw the bums out, both here and
> there.
>
> For half a millennium the Russian Tsars proudly proclaimed themselves to be
> guardians of Christian civilization against barbarian invasions from the
> Asian steppes and the Muslim Middle East. Although the Tsars generally
> excluded Catholics from their benevolent protection, their claim to protect
> European Christianity was not totally wrong. Just as the Pope of Rome traces
> his legitimacy to the Apostle Peter, so the Russian Orthodox Church, the
> established church of Tsarist Russia, traces its lineage to the Byzantine
> Empire, beginning three centuries after Jesus of Nazareth. For all its
> faults, Tsarist Russia buffered the West against worse threats.
>
> This history is important today because Putin is trying to reclaim the
> Tsarist legacy. Rumor has it that he likes to be called "Tsar" by his inner
> circle. He has regular photo ops with the Patriarch of Moscow, surrounded by
> the glittering bling of the Byzantine past. The choral music of Russia --
> often magnificent -- can be traced to Constantinople.
>
> Fast forward a thousand years, and you can now see Putin's presidential
> website at the Kremlin, trying to look modern, peaceful, and enlightened.
> The regime has gone to great lengths to show the world a smiling face.
>
> And yet, Putin has totally blown his PR campaign by his bloody actions in
> the Ukraine. This at a time when Europe desperately needs a protective
> power, because it is once again at the mercy of a hyperaggressive Islamic
> war theology, the faith of ancient desert pirates.
>
> The very idea of Europe was formed historically in a war of resistance
> against North African Muslim invaders of Spain and France. The first
> European epic is the Song of Roland, which celebrates the martyrdom of
> Knight Roland against the treacherous Saracens. The Crusades were arguably a
> prolonged defensive war against Muslim invaders, who were inspired by
> exactly the same thinking we see today from Hamas and ISIS.
>
> Islamic reactionary cults are carbon copies of their forebears a thousand
> years ago. Those ancient warrior cults have kept the Muslim world mired in
> the dysfunctional past. Every so often a leader like Ataturk attempts to
> modernize one country or another, only to be reversed several decades later.
> Today we are living in the Greatest Islamic Reversal, as modernist Muslims
> everywhere feel besieged by the self-destructive barbarism of the past.
>
> Putin is a lifelong expert on Western Europe, beginning from his years as
> KGB rezident in East Germany. The KGB ran spies all the way into the West
> German prime minister's office. They penetrated the UK with the Cambridge
> spies, and scattered spies and agents of influence in American media,
> government agencies, and universities. Putin knows the West like the back of
> his hand. He knows our decadence, and he respects our power -- when we show
> the will to exercise it.
>
> Today, Europe desperately needs a protective power, and under Obama, America
> is walking away from its former allies. A new modernist Russia could have
> filled the role of a reasonable protector of the wobbly nations of Europe,
> with all the benefits that would accrue -- but Putin has just blown his
> chance. He has proven that he can never be trusted.
>
> With the rise of a self-proclaimed terrorist caliphate in Iraq and Syria,
> right next door to an equally mad near-nuclear power in Iran, we are seeing
> a predictable WMD race spreading to the whole Middle East. Those nations are
> practically next door to Russia.
>
> Vladimir Putin seems to think he is somehow immune from trouble from the
> south. Well, ISIS now has 88 pounds of radioactive metal, enough to make a
> dirty bomb. Saudi Arabia has a standing order for advanced nukes and
> missiles from Pakistan. Nobody so far has devised a convincing defense
> against a nuclear attack from a maniac regime.
>
> And yet -- instead of protecting his threatened southern flank from
> nuclear-armed maniacs, Vladimir Putin is destroying his credibility in the
> West, which is no threat to him. Putin is living in the Soviet past, a fatal
> error for any would-be statesman.
>
> His shrewd strategic sense that we saw in play only months ago has now
> yielded to a primitive urge for emotional revenge against the West.
>
> None of this makes any sense, because Putin has a commodity much more
> precious than oil and gas: Of all the nations of Europe, only Moscow is
> ready, willing, and able to fight Islamic aggression. It has shown as much
> in Chechnya. The whole world is therefore running precisely the risk
> predicted by Bush and Cheney: Suicidal terrorists with space-age weapons.
> That horse is now out of the barn, thanks to Obama's deliberate inaction.
> Recent news indicates that Obama and Qatar (a truly primitive regime) have
> backed the new Al Qaida "Caliphate" in Iraq and Syria. In typical Obama
> fashion, he picks the most barbaric and destructive players to secretly
> support. We can see the same pattern of behavior at our southern border,
> where the Sinaloa Cartel now controls more than the U.S. Border Patrol.
> Obama always makes things worse, and in that respect, Putin is his long-lost
> twin brother.
>
> Ten years from now Russian oil and gas will be a drug on the market, with
> fracking and other new extraction methods turning a third of the world into
> energy exporters. Ten years from now Russia will have no economic advantage
> left, and Putin knows that. But somehow the Kremlin still doesn't realize
> that a renewed Russia could once again become the protector of civilization
> against barbarism. Putin's emotional need for revenge upsets all rational
> calculations.
>
> When Putin outmaneuvered Obama on Assad's chemical weapons, he demonstrated
> a strong strategic capability. But now a different, more primitive Tsar has
> blown it in the eyes of the world. He has done it so brutally, cynically,
> and sadistically that he no longer looks smart or civilized. Putin is
> engaged in a shadow-play of his own imagining. This is not smart. In
> Russian, it's nyekulturniye -- uncivilized.
>
> Like Obama, Putin follows a revenge narrative. Obama's Third World Socialism
> is an ego-satisfying emotional rampage against Western imperialism, which
> spluttered out sixty ago, long before Barack Obama was even born. The
> British Empire is gone, but Obama has an irrational need to refight the Mau
> Mau rebellion in Kenya. That is why he constantly needs to show the fickle
> finger of fate to mainstream Americans. In his mind, America still needs to
> be punished for slavery -- which Abraham Lincoln abolished in 1865.
>
> Obama's obsession with exacting revenge for European imperialism is a little
> bit mad, to say the least.
>
> Yet, in their latest brutalities, Putin and his agents echo the same revenge
> motive. There is no strategic rationale for sending Russian Buk
> anti-aircraft missiles to the trigger-happy rabble of phony Ukrainians
> serving Putin's cause. Today, Putin's henchmen have shot down, not just the
> Malaysian airliner, but also two Ukrainian air force jets, defending their
> internationally recognized sovereign territory. Russian artillery is now
> bombarding Ukrainian soil. Therefore Putin, too, is being drawn into a
> cesspool of ancient resentments, the remote echoes of causes that no sane
> person supports anymore.
>
> All this is shortsighted, emotionally driven, and self-damaging. Russia is
> deeply in debt, and desperately needs more trade and investment. But Europe
> has been scared into looking for other sources of oil and gas, thereby
> undermining Putin's high-priced product.
>
> Moscow has just blown a chance to reduce American influence in Western
> Europe. The new Tsar has inadvertently strengthened NATO, and even bolstered
> the weak-kneed Europeans. If a Republican administration is elected in time,
> NATO will almost surely send "tripwire" contingents of troops to the Ukraine
> and surrounding nations. At some point the West will call his bluff.
>
> If God has a sense of irony he is surely chuckling at two world leaders,
> both immensely ego-driven, unable to control their emotions, in love with
> themselves, and defeating their own purposes. The Chicago pol and the KGB
> colonel are making nasty faces at each other in a funhouse mirror.
>
> Serious nations need clear-thinking, mature, down-to-earth leaders. Somehow
> America and Russia have blundered into extremely risky leaders who can't
> think straight.
>
> Here's hoping that sensible people will throw the bums out, both here and
> there.
>
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