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Sunday, September 1, 2013

Re: Harvard Gun Study Refutes Gun Grabber Claims - More Gun Laws Don't Prove Diddely-Squat

Another one full of stuffing. How do you guys dream up this xrap?


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Subject: RE: Harvard Gun Study Refutes Gun Grabber Claims - More Gun Laws Don't Prove Diddely-Squat

The results of any Harvard study will be skewed to keep the elite who do not belong in wealth and power in power!
 
Don't believe any of it!  Universities don't teach anything that is helpful because they do not want to change the status quo of who is wealthy and who isn't.  And the result has been that the are no longer capable of teaching anything helpful and the pool of young people can no longer learn!  There is no other way our society got the way it did!  Harvard should have been bashing tobacco and alcohol for decades on end and wielding academic political influence in that manner but it did not!   Why not?  The only way the wealthy stay in power is if no one can figure out that they do not have the capacity to think for themselves.  At best they think reflexively to the minds of men and do the exact opposite of what a man thinks should be done!!!
 
Thomas Paul Murphy
 
From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lew
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:57 AM
To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Harvard Gun Study Refutes Gun Grabber Claims - More Gun Laws Don't Prove Diddely-Squat
 
Por Sean.
 
So the  right to Bear Arms says we can hunt but not protect ourselves????
 
What Liberal God (Not Sean, I hope)  says what is appropriate for us to protect ourselves with?
 
Chicago has all the apprporaite gun laws They are killing each other right and left and sidewys.
 
 

On Saturday, August 31, 2013 11:03:07 AM UTC-4, VT Sean Lewis wrote:
Closing the loop holes Lew wants to jump through, or invent.
 
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:00 PM, geoffrey theist <gthei...@gmail.com> wrote:
military style?splitting hairs eh?
 
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Sean Lewis <thevirt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hunting rifles are not the issue, do not be obtuse, i was very clear to say MILITARY style weapons.
 
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Boldsaber <bold...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fully automatic weapons are already banned and have been since the 1930s.  Why do you want to get Semiautomatics banned?  You do realize that most rifles used for hunting are semis? That semi auto only refers to the positioning of a new round in the chamber when the previous one has been fired and that a separate trigger squeeze is necessary to fire that new round?
 
From: opendeb...@googlegroups.com [mailto:opendeb...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Lewis
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 9:54 AM
To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
Subject: Re: Harvard Gun Study Refutes Gun Grabber Claims - More Gun Laws Don't Prove Diddely-Squat
 
The issue is to get semi automatic and automatic military assault rifles out of the hands of non military individuals and to raise the bar to keep guns out of the hands of the criminally insane and convicted violent felons. I don't think this is unreasonable.
 
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:30 AM, lew <lew...@aol.com> wrote:

Harvard Gun Study Refutes Gun Grabber Claims - More Gun Laws Don't Prove Diddely-Squat

Russ Vaughn
                        
In an almost fifty-page study published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, authors Don Kates and Gary Mauser, demonstrate again and again that strict gun control laws do not correlate with lower murder rates, neither in the United States nor Europe. In fact, just as is true in the U.S. where the highest murder rates occur in cities like Chicago, with the strictest gun control laws, the highest murder rate among developed countries is in Russia where gun ownership is highly restricted.
The study is a long but interesting read with several tables and lots of statistics and well worth your time. But for those not inclined to read it, here is the conclusion drawn by the authors:
CONCLUSION
This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil -- at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed strict gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.
Emphasis mine
In other words, as we gun advocates have long known, the observable facts simply will not support the emotional arguments of the gun grabbers regarding both violent crime and suicide. Interestingly, the study also relates a survey of incarcerated felons that confirms that a criminal's greatest fear is that his victim may be armed. That certainly makes the case for a well-armed citizenry regardless of the definition of militia.
You should read the entire study and then make sure your elected representatives read it.


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If people only knew the facts, they would not be fighting for the 'RIGHT' to be screwed over.

Nixon 1973:  "I am not a crook!"
Clinton 1998 wagging finger: "I did not have sex with that woman!"
Bush 2005 wagging finger:  "I did nothing illegal!"
+ $1,899,522,392,147 Social Security Trust Fund.
– $8,367,894,586,992 The Gross National Debt $3,231,274,298,946.38 in foreign oil

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If people only knew the facts, they would not be fighting for the 'RIGHT' to be screwed over.

Nixon 1973:  "I am not a crook!"
Clinton 1998 wagging finger: "I did not have sex with that woman!"
Bush 2005 wagging finger:  "I did nothing illegal!"
+ $1,899,522,392,147 Social Security Trust Fund.
– $8,367,894,586,992 The Gross National Debt $3,231,274,298,946.38 in foreign oil

Time will tell all the Truth.
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If people only knew the facts, they would not be fighting for the 'RIGHT' to be screwed over.

Nixon 1973:  "I am not a crook!"
Clinton 1998 wagging finger: "I did not have sex with that woman!"
Bush 2005 wagging finger:  "I did nothing illegal!"
+ $1,899,522,392,147 Social Security Trust Fund.
– $8,367,894,586,992 The Gross National Debt $3,231,274,298,946.38 in foreign oil

Time will tell all the Truth.
VT

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