I really don't want to get dragged into the argument, because IMO, the point is moot.
With the4th collect up your guns is ridiculous. But Fox continues to spread that particular tale. I am almost certain that Rush is also spreading the poison. I can't verify that since I don't listen to his show. (I'm at work.)
The 2008 court is highly conservative. The current doctrine is that there are no Constitutional barriers to citizens having guns in their homes. I have no problem with that.
So - where's the rub? Well, IMO, there should not be protection for assault weapons and high speed magazines. We need to re-enact the limits Clinton placed on guns in 1994. No hollow point rounds, etc. We probably wouldn't even feel the difference. The Framers did not anticipate that these weapons would exist. (I imagine most of them would have trouble with light bulbs.)
The question is where do the rights to own guns stop? I think where my right to live begins, and the right to life should be more sacred. It is completely inalienable.
I would like to see higher taxes on certain types of ammunition. I have problem with people who hunt or target shoot. I do have problem with people who know they have a nut case in the house and teach him to use an assault weapon.
I believe that we need to really investiagte people who buy these guns and ammunition. I mean really investigate. Mental health issues would be at the top of my list.
I also think that when a crime is commited with any gun, the consequences should be serious and severe, and if anyone is killed during a crime it should be murder in the first degree. (After all, if you planned to rob the convenience store with an assault rifle, you evidently planned to kill anyone who stood in your way.)
I also think that when a crime is commited with any gun, the consequences should be serious and severe, and if anyone is killed during a crime it should be murder in the first degree. (After all, if you planned to rob the convenience store with an assault rifle, you evidently planned to kill anyone who stood in your way.)
Arming teachers is just plain stuipid. L
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Lynne, I know that you're not a Zebra(Ref) but what's your opinion?
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I am not the referee. L
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I am not the referee. L
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.and Lynne, that's exactly the point that I asked Greg to prove, that being, showing the thread exactly where in the Second Amendmant where it addresses the citizen's right to bear arms outside of a "well regulated militia". So far all Greg has done is stonewall.Would you agree with that, Lynne?
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:49:09 -0800
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Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
I respectfully disagree Lynn. SCOTUS ruled the DC handgun ban was illegal (unconstitutional) because they determined the 2nd Amendment "protects an individual right, unconnected with service in a militia".
That law is no longer in effect because of that. That is law.
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:17:54 PM UTC-6, Lynne wrote:
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Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
I respectfully disagree Lynn. SCOTUS ruled the DC handgun ban was illegal (unconstitutional) because they determined the 2nd Amendment "protects an individual right, unconnected with service in a militia".
That law is no longer in effect because of that. That is law.
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:17:54 PM UTC-6, Lynne wrote:
True. But since there is no enforcement arm for the Supremes, it's moot. After three days of bull I move we move on.Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
GregfromBoston <greg.v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>SCOTUS rulings are law. Deep stuff
>
>On Tuesday, January 29, 2013here, and 9:08:21 AM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>>
>> So, now you've run out of ideas. I knew that you'd reach the end of your
>> limits soon.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 05:04:18 -0800
>> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com <javascript:>
>> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
>> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>>
>> Good doggy
>>
>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:36:29 PM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>>
>> Mad?No. Are you having another seizure?Once again your stupidity comes to
>> the fore.Also, again,you're off subject. BTW, you said you were done.That
>> makes you a liar also.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:25:16 -0800
>> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com
>> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>>
>> Oooh. REALLY mad.
>>
>> SCOTUS decisions have nothing to do with law. Funny and mad is a bonus.
>> Speak Ubu, speak
>>
>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:04:16 PM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>>
>> You lose.,Imbecile. Learn to comprehend and respond correctly when spoken
>> to..Done.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:47:47 -0800
>> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com
>> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>>
>> He's mad.
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> Gravy
>>
>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 12:25:58 PM UTC-5, Larry wrote:
>>
>> I am also sure that I shouldn't expect everyone to have the ability to
>> mentally get beyond a personal agenda or even personal hypocrisy to answer
>> a straight forward question when put to them. Civics is easy, getting past
>> one's own personal Hypocrisy is something else, as having been proven by
>> Greg. My worse. And the part that will be overlooked by the thread members
>> is that the question will still go unanswered.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:50:00 -0800
>> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com
>> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>>
>> SCOTUS decisions and interpretations being law is a tad more than an
>> opinion. I am sure I shouldn't expect everyone to have passed, or even
>> taken civics. My bad.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:57:03 PM UTC-5, Lynne wrote:
>>
>> I have not found that to be true, but I agree Greg is very opinionated. L
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Larry Talbot <larry....@hotmail.com>
>> To: opendebateforum <opendeb...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 26, 2013 12:23 am
>> Subject: RE: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>>
>> Greg is an idiot ,Lynne. he can't answer a simple question when put to
>> him. Good luck
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:30:36 -0600
>> > Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>> > From: lyn...@aol.com
>> > To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> >
>> > We talked about this once before but I don't remember what your
>> objection was. Wanna go around again?
>> >
>> > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
>> >
>> > GregfromBoston <greg.v...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Its fine that you think SCOTUS is wrong. Lots of people think they were
>> > >wrong on Roe (not I). Lots of people think the were wrong on Citzens
>> > >United. I think they were wrong on Kelo. It doesn't matter at all.
>> > >Their rulings are law. Ergo, the 2nd amendment protects an individual
>> > >right, until they say otherwise, or we amend the constitution - neither
>> of
>> > >which is gonna happen anytime soon.
>> > >
>> > >On Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:12:53 PM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Yea-yeah, Greg. The whole point was that the knuckledraggers were
>> saying
>> > >> that the second Amendment guarantees average citizens the right to
>> bear
>> > >> arms and for those that like to treat the second amendmant as gospel
>> are
>> > >> wrong.SCotus ruled later than the second amendment so those that say
>> that
>> > >> the second amendment guarantees that right are wrong.
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------
>> > >> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:05:22 -0800
>> > >> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com <javascript:>
>> > >> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
>> > >> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>> > >>
>> > >> Stand all you like. When SCOTUS defines an amendment in a ruling, the
>> > >> definition is law as is the ruling. Their interpretation of the 14th
>> in
>> > >> Roe, IS law, ditto the 2nd in Heller.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:40:56 PM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> No, not end of story Greggie. I stand by my previous post.
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------
>> > >> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:33:16 -0800
>> > >> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com
>> > >> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>> > >>
>> > >> Psst, I have always supported the Roe decision. Not that it matters.
>> > >> THAT is the point
>> > >>
>> > >> If SCOTUS interpretation doesn't matter, the all those anti-abortion
>> laws
>> > >> are back on the books. It DOES matter, just as their ruling on the
>> 2nd
>> > >> does. End of story.
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:14:49 AM UTC-6, Larry wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> If your a purist then you are correct about the 14th. And you should
>> do
>> > >> the same , like I've said about the 2nd.So, what's you're point. So
>> > >> basically you can be a purist when it comes to the 14th but you can
>> > >> fantasize about the second? I get it now, you're hypocrisy goes only
>> so far.
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------
>> > >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:15:37 -0800
>> > >> From: greg.v...@yahoo.com
>> > >> To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: Proof the 2nd Amendment isn't just for muskets or militia
>> > >>
>> > >> Interesting that when SCOTUS quotes its INTERPRETATION of the 14th
>> > >> amendment, and strikes down anti-abortion laws, they are the light of
>> the
>> > >> constitution, but when they quote their INTERPRETATION of the 2nd
>> amendment
>> > >> and strike down anti-gun laws, they are irrelevant, ain't it Larry?
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