Plaino+ Ditto.
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:27 -0800
> Subject: Re: School Shootings and Our Change from Sacred Authority to Secular Authority
> From: plainolamerican@gmail.com
> To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
>
> Numbers 31:
> ---
> religious myth to ignore.
>
> On Dec 22 2012, 10:01 pm, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Numbers 31:
> >
> > 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the
> > captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from
> > the battle.
> >
> > 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
> >
> > 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
> > Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and
> > there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.
> >
> > 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
> > woman that hath known man by lying with him.
> >
> > 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with
> > him, keep alive for yourselves.
> >
> > On Dec 16, 5:08 am, lew <lewc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > School Shootings and Our Change from Sacred Authority to Secular
> > > Authority
> >
> > > Sam Holliday
> > > americanthinker.com
> >
> > > The tragic shooting at the grade school in Newton, Conn. will result
> > > in calls for gun control, tighter security, guards in schools, new
> > > laws that some think might have prevented the shooting, more money for
> > > mental health programs, post-traumatic stress counseling, and other
> > > things. Yet these are only band-aids which do not address the basic
> > > cause of this tragedy. There is one cause and one practical solution.
> >
> > > Cause: The decline in Sacred Authority since the 1950s and the attempt
> > > to rely on rules, regulations, and laws to control behavior. Everyone
> > > agrees that this has occurred, yet there is no agreement on whether it
> > > is positive (progress) or negative (decline).
> >
> > > Solution: To put more effort into developing, supporting, and
> > > maintaining Sacred Authority. Note that this runs counter to what
> > > postmodernists (progressives) want.
> >
> > > The culture of the United States has dramatically changed in the last
> > > fifty years. Many of these changes have been positive, yet we need to
> > > recognize that there is also a dark side. As it all human affairs
> > > there is a need to keep Yin and Yang in balance. The senseless killing
> > > in Newton should be a wakeup call for all Americans. The correct
> > > relationship of Secular Authority and Sacred Authority needs to be
> > > examined.
> >
> > > Secular Authority (rules, regulations, and laws established and
> > > administered by government) provides the stability essential for a
> > > framework of order. Without the enforcement of laws, there is anarchy.
> > > With such enforcement of laws there can be either order or the
> > > possibility of tyranny.
> >
> > > Sacred Authority is what shapes the inner compass of individuals so
> > > that each person can make judgments that will result in good, right,
> > > moral, compassionate, and just behavior. While religious doctrine and
> > > teaching are among the most common ways for individuals to internalize
> > > values and attitudes, which then become the Sacred Authority of an
> > > individual, there are many other ways an individual gets his/her inner
> > > compass. Morality and ethics are obvious ways. An individual's inner
> > > compass can come from words and actions of family, friends, enemies,
> > > associates, etc. It can come from education, entertainment, sports,
> > > reading, or experience. Postmodernists (progressives) want to control
> > > behavior with rules, regulations and laws, i.e. Secular Authority, and
> > > do not recognize Sacred Authority as being of equal importance.
> >
> > > Developing, supporting, and maintaining Sacred Authority requires
> > > customs and traditions that sanction discrimination against behavior
> > > that is bad, wrong, immoral, untoward, and unjust. This is both
> > > judgmental and runs counter to many interpretations of the legal
> > > concept of "rights".
> >
> > > One definition of the word "sacred" is: "devoted or dedicated to a
> > > deity or to some religious purpose." This often results in
> > > misunderstanding the meaning of Sacred Authority. "Sacred" also means:
> > > "devoted or dedicated to, and reverence for some idea, conviction,
> > > principal or moral code." This has always been the meaning of the word
> > > "sacred" ias regards Sacred Authority. It is reflected in the customs
> > > and traditions of humans in that they are more than animals responding
> > > to basic instincts and external stimuli.
> >
> > > Today we are dominated by a mindset that sees everything in terms of
> > > Secular Authority. There is no mantra more accepted than "Rule of law,
> > > not rule by men". Yet this was not the vision of our Founders. They
> > > wanted our country to be governed by common citizens with civic virtue
> > > and strong moral character. The question they wanted to be asked
> > > before any decision was: "Is it right?" -- Not "Is it legal?", not
> > > "Who gets what, when and how?", not "Does it make me feel good?".
> >
> > > The failure of pure Secular Authority could not be more obvious. Will
> > > we do what is necessary to renew Sacred Authority in our country?
> >
> > > Dr. Sam Holliday, Director, Armiger Cromwell Center is a graduate of
> > > West Point, Univ. of Pittsburgh, and Univ. of South Carolina.
>
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> Subject: Re: School Shootings and Our Change from Sacred Authority to Secular Authority
> From: plainolamerican@gmail.com
> To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
>
> Numbers 31:
> ---
> religious myth to ignore.
>
> On Dec 22 2012, 10:01 pm, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Numbers 31:
> >
> > 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the
> > captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from
> > the battle.
> >
> > 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
> >
> > 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
> > Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and
> > there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.
> >
> > 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
> > woman that hath known man by lying with him.
> >
> > 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with
> > him, keep alive for yourselves.
> >
> > On Dec 16, 5:08 am, lew <lewc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > School Shootings and Our Change from Sacred Authority to Secular
> > > Authority
> >
> > > Sam Holliday
> > > americanthinker.com
> >
> > > The tragic shooting at the grade school in Newton, Conn. will result
> > > in calls for gun control, tighter security, guards in schools, new
> > > laws that some think might have prevented the shooting, more money for
> > > mental health programs, post-traumatic stress counseling, and other
> > > things. Yet these are only band-aids which do not address the basic
> > > cause of this tragedy. There is one cause and one practical solution.
> >
> > > Cause: The decline in Sacred Authority since the 1950s and the attempt
> > > to rely on rules, regulations, and laws to control behavior. Everyone
> > > agrees that this has occurred, yet there is no agreement on whether it
> > > is positive (progress) or negative (decline).
> >
> > > Solution: To put more effort into developing, supporting, and
> > > maintaining Sacred Authority. Note that this runs counter to what
> > > postmodernists (progressives) want.
> >
> > > The culture of the United States has dramatically changed in the last
> > > fifty years. Many of these changes have been positive, yet we need to
> > > recognize that there is also a dark side. As it all human affairs
> > > there is a need to keep Yin and Yang in balance. The senseless killing
> > > in Newton should be a wakeup call for all Americans. The correct
> > > relationship of Secular Authority and Sacred Authority needs to be
> > > examined.
> >
> > > Secular Authority (rules, regulations, and laws established and
> > > administered by government) provides the stability essential for a
> > > framework of order. Without the enforcement of laws, there is anarchy.
> > > With such enforcement of laws there can be either order or the
> > > possibility of tyranny.
> >
> > > Sacred Authority is what shapes the inner compass of individuals so
> > > that each person can make judgments that will result in good, right,
> > > moral, compassionate, and just behavior. While religious doctrine and
> > > teaching are among the most common ways for individuals to internalize
> > > values and attitudes, which then become the Sacred Authority of an
> > > individual, there are many other ways an individual gets his/her inner
> > > compass. Morality and ethics are obvious ways. An individual's inner
> > > compass can come from words and actions of family, friends, enemies,
> > > associates, etc. It can come from education, entertainment, sports,
> > > reading, or experience. Postmodernists (progressives) want to control
> > > behavior with rules, regulations and laws, i.e. Secular Authority, and
> > > do not recognize Sacred Authority as being of equal importance.
> >
> > > Developing, supporting, and maintaining Sacred Authority requires
> > > customs and traditions that sanction discrimination against behavior
> > > that is bad, wrong, immoral, untoward, and unjust. This is both
> > > judgmental and runs counter to many interpretations of the legal
> > > concept of "rights".
> >
> > > One definition of the word "sacred" is: "devoted or dedicated to a
> > > deity or to some religious purpose." This often results in
> > > misunderstanding the meaning of Sacred Authority. "Sacred" also means:
> > > "devoted or dedicated to, and reverence for some idea, conviction,
> > > principal or moral code." This has always been the meaning of the word
> > > "sacred" ias regards Sacred Authority. It is reflected in the customs
> > > and traditions of humans in that they are more than animals responding
> > > to basic instincts and external stimuli.
> >
> > > Today we are dominated by a mindset that sees everything in terms of
> > > Secular Authority. There is no mantra more accepted than "Rule of law,
> > > not rule by men". Yet this was not the vision of our Founders. They
> > > wanted our country to be governed by common citizens with civic virtue
> > > and strong moral character. The question they wanted to be asked
> > > before any decision was: "Is it right?" -- Not "Is it legal?", not
> > > "Who gets what, when and how?", not "Does it make me feel good?".
> >
> > > The failure of pure Secular Authority could not be more obvious. Will
> > > we do what is necessary to renew Sacred Authority in our country?
> >
> > > Dr. Sam Holliday, Director, Armiger Cromwell Center is a graduate of
> > > West Point, Univ. of Pittsburgh, and Univ. of South Carolina.
>
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