I guess I don’t know Lynn, maybe you can tell us why China is upgrading and expanding their navy then? Maybe you can also tell us why both ends of the Panama Canal are controlled by a corporation owned by an Indonesian who has a very high ranking relative in the PLA? Have you heard of Lippo group? What about James Riady from those bygone days of peace and prosperity under Clinton? Look up Admiral Thomas H. Moorer’s Congressional testimony on the Canal and China’s future threat. He was the CJCS in the 70s.
Tom
"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
The Shit has hit the Fan"
"Hiding in Honduras"
- Warren Zevon
From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lynnk05@aol.com
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and how likely are we to fight a naval war? that's ww2 technology.
I did mix up by verb tenses - the retire did retire for the reasons I stated, L
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From: mg <mgkelson@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: If You're a Defense Contractor, Buying or Renting a Retired General Is Essential
One good way to help prevent war and reduce spending at the same timeis to return to the draft and fire most or all of the contractors. On Nov 25, 4:32 pm, "Tom" <boldsa...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why would your retired military personnel be re-upping? For> the first five years, they have no say in the matter since they can be> recalled involuntarily, after that five years they can request to be put> back on Active Duty if they wish until age 70 (3 years beyond the statutory> age limit for service in the military) For the rest, I can only assume that> you haven't been paying attention. For example, yes we maintain the 8th Army> in South Korea to serve as a speed bump between North Korea and South Korea> and that's all they'd be able to do, slow the NKs down until reinforcements> arrived. Our former massive force in Germany has been drastically reduced> since the fall of the USSR primarily because THEY don't have to serve as a> speed bump any longer. The remaining troops in Germany serve a valuable> purpose as a logistical hub, center for definitive medical care, and staging> area for troops on their way to the various hot zones (Afghanistan, Africa,> etc) and on their way back for those not redeployed directly to and from> CONUS. As such they also serve as an area in which deployers can train up> for their eventual missions.> > If you want to prevent war, the only real way to do so is to> be the big dog on the street, having proven how fierce you have been in a> dog fight and baring your teeth at those who would threaten you. The way to> guarantee that a war will take place is to do what Obama has done and you> and others have urged. Present yourself as weak and irresolute. It doesn't> matter how many times history has shown the validity of that statement, the> left refuses to learn the lesson and people die because of that.> > To be honest, my biggest concern is our decimated Navy, 1/3> the size of our Navy in 1991. There is a reason that other nations are> beefing up their Naval forces. They smell the chum in the water and control> of the Seas is STILL the major factor in the game for pre-eminence among> nations.> > Tom> > "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,> > The Shit has hit the Fan"> > "Hiding in Honduras"> > - Warren Zevon> > From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lynn...@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:52 PM> To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: If You're a Defense Contractor, Buying or Renting a Retired> General Is Essential> > We have troopes stationed in countries all over the world, still there after> WWII agreements and NATO. Do we need this?> > National Guard here is exhausted - 5 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.> > We have 3 ways to deliver nuclear warheads to the former Soviet Union. If we> only had 2, we would save over a billion dollars.> > Our army is 5 times bigger than the next 7 combined.> > We have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 7 times. Could we cut> back to one or two? How dead can we get?> > Most of our retired military personnel are telling me they don't want to> re-up. They believed their role was to prevent war.> > The military industrial complex has taken over the country. L> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Tom <boldsa...@gmail.com>> To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 9:23 am> Subject: RE: If You're a Defense Contractor, Buying or Renting a Retired> > General Is Essential> > Well, I see that HuffPo has upped the numbers that the Anti War Resistors> website was touting of 36% or so to 50% per your Email or is that just your> esteemed opinion on the matter? Why not just go for broke and pin the figure> at 90% with the remaining 10% going to the "evil 1%". Your Emperor's own> governmental resources such as the CBO and others claim much more> conservative figure of between 20 and 25% but that doesn't support your> rhetoric so they obviously can't be trusted in this matter.> > Tom> "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,> The Shit has hit the Fan"> "Hiding in Honduras"> - Warren Zevon> > -----Original Message-----> From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> <mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com?> ] On Behalf Of mg> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:32 PM> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO> Subject: If You're a Defense Contractor, Buying or Renting a Retired General> Is Essential> > About half of the money that we pay in income taxes to the IRS goes to> defense-related spending, but it's never enough, of course, for the> military/industrial complex that feeds from the public trough.> > "Report: 70 Percent Of Retired Generals Took Jobs With Defense Contractors> Or Consultants> > The Huffington Post | By Luke Johnson Posted: 11/19/2012 5:11 pm> > A report released Monday by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in> Washington and the Brave New Foundation found that 70 percent of retired> three-and-four star generals took jobs with defense contractors or> consultants, a figure that has actually declined in recent years.> > The report found that 76 out of 108 top generals took such jobs from> 2009 to 2011, and a few continued to advise the Department of Defense while> on the payroll of contractors. The report cited Gen. James Cartwright, who> was elected to a paid position on Raytheon's board of directors while> serving on the Defense Policy Board. Adm. Gary Roughead also served on the> board while joining the board of Northrop Grumman, earning $115,000 per> year.> > Eighty percent of generals retiring from 2004 to 2008 took such jobs,> according to a 2010 Boston Globe investigation.> > The report didn't find a causal link between the revolving door and specific> contracts. However, the report cites statistics showing 2011 spending at the> five largest defense contractors -- Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General> Dynamics, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman -- at $100 billion, with at least> nine retiring top generals and admirals taking positions at the firms.> > The report comes at a period of unusual scrutiny on the rarefied lives of> generals in the aftermath of the resignation of Gen. David Petraeus over an> extramarital affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell. The Washington> Post reported Sunday on the perks that come with the job, noting that> Petraeus was once escorted by 28 police motorcycles to Jill Kelley's mansion> in Tampa. Kelley contacted the FBI after she said she received threatening> emails from Broadwell.> > Gen. William "Kip" Ward was stripped of a star and ordered to repay> $82,000 after spending thousands on unauthorized traveling and expenses.> > The Associated Press calculated that five generals had been investigated or> reprimanded in the past few weeks.> > But none of the allegations that CREW mention made the list. 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