-----Original Message-----
From: Tom <boldsaber@gmail.com>
To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: RE: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It Much (ObamaCare)
-- From: Tom <boldsaber@gmail.com>
To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: RE: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It Much (ObamaCare)
Respectfully, I think that you lived in the internet bubble of those days and as for peace, yeah, I guess there seemed to be plenty of that among those who didn't go to Somalia, who didn't get prepped for Haiti, who didn't go to Bosnia or Kosovo, etc and for those who flew the daily missions in the Northern and Southern regions of Iraq. Talk to me about taxes in April and perhaps you can talk about the inflationary spiral at that time, perhaps not in the availability of printed money but in the actual purchasing price ( you HAVE noticed that foodstuffs are just a wee bit more pricey these days, I hope as well as gas, power etc?) I get the impression that you're living in some elitist dream world these days with visions of peaceful world citizens sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya all day and money trees just floating through the skies dropping lower to the ground at your need to pick a few bills from their limbs. Tom "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money, The Shit has hit the Fan" "Hiding in Honduras" - Warren Zevon -----Original Message----- From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lynnk05@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:09 PM To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It Much (ObamaCare) Except you still fail the reality. We have very low taxes. Under financial nincompoop GWB taxes were artificially low. Obama wants to go back to Clinton era levels....you remember peace and prosperity. Remember that without demand there is no need for supply. NO SHIT. Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T Tom <boldsaber@gmail.com> wrote: >"Get in touch with reality - if there are no customers who are ready >willing and able to buy, business will fail unless government props them up." > > > >So let's tax the customers up the yin-yang and tell the fools that we >are only taxing the rich, then when the businesses fail, we can prop >them up and have yet another excuse to tax them more. Yep, close >enough for government work. > > > > > >Tom > >"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money, > >The Shit has hit the Fan" > >"Hiding in Honduras" > >- Warren Zevon > > > >From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com >[mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lynnk05@aol.com >Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:03 AM >To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It >Much >(ObamaCare) > > > >States have not yet begun implementation, so all of this fear-loaded >information is smoke and mirrors. > > > >R - E -T = P > > > >So, one way to relieve the pressue is to add to R.ee how easy? > > > >And you can beef us business all you like. We have had 30 years of >supply side policies. If what you said is true we would have full >employment. We don't. So - the fact is money has trickled up where >about $2.7Bn is sitting in the hands of business owners that is NOT >turning into jobs nor revenue for the government to address the issue >of our $16Tn debt, which costs us $65BN per year in debt service. > > > >Get in touch with reality - if there are no customers who are ready >willing and able to buy, business will fail unless government props them up. > > > >You worry about America being weak. History tells us that when the >middle class is strong, we are tool. Right now 2/3 of the middle class >has gone under and sunk into poverty. Outsourcing is the culprit here. >Fix it so they can buy and all will be well. Not Keynes - basic supply >and demand. L > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom <boldsaber@gmail.com> >To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> >Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 5:23 pm >Subject: RE: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It >Much >(ObamaCare) > > Perhaps because due diligence involves more than just >present numbers such as the logical consequences of changes in the >economic climate. Increasing overhead due to additional expenses added >to the cost of labor, which as we know is not solely the wage paid to >the employee but benefits including vacation, sick days for those who >get them, insurance benefits, and matching contributions to various >funds such as Social Security, etc. means that there is less money >available to the employer for other overhead costs such as investment >in expansion, maintenance and repair, transportation costs, clerical >costs and so on. So what, Keynesians and anti-capitalists say, if not >only is the employers profit margin lessened, some to the break even or >red ink level in a comprehensive review of a company's future, it is >only fair that they suffer too in a society turned to social and economic equality ( meaning outcome not opportunity). >And so the wave of Keynesian and Socialistic reform flows, and the weak >drown in its wash and the question is asked, "Why are these people, the >hated rich or corporations, or companies, or employers, acting so >silly?", irrespective of the fact that unlike the Socialist dream >(which some call a >nightmare) that the providers and feeders of industry are behaving in a >perfectly logical manner by either cutting their losses and saving what >they can, or delaying their collapse by slowing operations and using >fewer employees. Thus does Ayn Rand's nightmare world of "Atlas >Shrugged" become reality and the productive shut off the lights until a >better time and a better place. > > > >Tom > >"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money, > >The Shit has hit the Fan" > >"Hiding in Honduras" > >- Warren Zevon > > > >From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com >[mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com ><mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com?> ] On Behalf Of >lynnk05@aol.com >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:10 PM >To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It >Much >(ObamaCare) > > > > > >this is amazing! why are these people reacting in such a silly manner? >states are just now beginning to talk about implementation. L > >-----Original Message----- >From: lew <lewcoop@aol.com> >To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com> >Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 6:14 am >Subject: College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It Much >(ObamaCare) > > >College Professors Get What They Asked For, Don't Like It Much >(ObamaCare) > > >Gary Jason > > <http://ameicanthinker.com/> ameicanthinker.com > >There is an antique saying -- no less true for its antiquity -- that >you need to be careful what you wish for, because you just might get >it. This came to mind when I read a ><http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/neighborhoods-city/health-ca >re-la >w-brings-double-dose-of-trouble-for-ccac-part-time-profs-662697/?print= >1> recent report about what is happening at a Pennsylvania college. > >One of President Obama's most loyal -- not to say fawning -- >constituencies clearly is academia. His rate of support among >collegiate faculty and administrators surely approaches near-unanimity on the typical campus. > >This is why the news about the Community College of Allegheny County >(CCAC) is so richly ironic. CCAC has just announced that because of >ObamaCare, it will have to slash the hours of 400 of its employees, >about half of whom are adjunct instructors. This is because under the >new law, companies and other organizations employing 50 or more >employees are required to provide full health care insurance (at high >cost, because of a host of new mandates the law includes) for all >employees working 30 or more hours a week. This means that employers >have a tremendous incentive -- indeed, virtually a gun at their heads >-- to either cut hours for employees to under 30 hours per week or >eliminate workers outright (by outsourcing, offshoring, contracting out, and automating), or to keep the employees under 50 by simply not expanding. > >This has led numerous private companies start taking precisely those >actions >-- including Abbot Labs, Applebee's, Boston Scientific, Covidien, Dana >Holding, Darden Restaurants, Kinetic Concepts, Kroger, Lockheed-Martin, >Medtronic, New Energy, Papa John's Pizza, Smith & Nephew, Stryker, >TANCOA Janitorial, and Welch Allyn. For example, major restaurant >chains ><http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_ers_74rfAHiGtY >U2nHm >nlIhotL> such as Olive Garden and Red Lobster are already moving >nlIhotL> employees >to under 30 hours a week. Boston Scientific has said that it will lay >off >1,400 workers and shift production to China. > >So CCAC's action is no surprise. At the end of this year, the college >will cut 200 temporary part-time workers' weekly hours to 25, and 200 >adjuncts will see their courses cut from 12 down to 10 units per >semester -- a drop of 16%. But by doing this, CCAC will save $6 million >it would otherwise have to spend for health insurance. > >As John Dziak, head of the CCAC Federation of Teachers, ruefully >acknowledged about ObamaCare, "[t]his is one of those times when the >best of intentions do not always end up with the best results." No joke there. > >I suspect that adjunct professors throughout the nation are going to be >losing classes throughout this next year, as ObamaCare's requirements loom. >(In 2014, these requirements become fully in force.) Massively more >adjuncts will lose their health care and see their classes cut back, >forcing yet more of them to teach at multiple institutions (to become >"freeway fliers," as the expression goes) even more than they do >already. This will be richly ironic, given their overwhelming support >of the man who created the law that will bedevil them. > >I don't make that observation with spite, please note; as an adjunct >myself, I both sympathize and empathize with adjunct professors. But >they helped vote Obama in for a second term, and we all will now pay the price. > >Gary Jason is a philosophy instructor, a senior editor at Liberty, and >the author of Dangerous Thoughts. > > > >Read more: ><http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/college_professors_get_wha >t_the y_asked_for_dont_like_it_much.html#ixzz2DnlE5T7A> >http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/college_professors_get_what >_they _asked_for_dont_like_it_much.html#ixzz2DnlE5T7A > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to opendebateforum@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >opendebateforum+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opendebateforum?hl=en. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to opendebateforum@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >opendebateforum+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opendebateforum?hl=en. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to opendebateforum@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >opendebateforum+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opendebateforum?hl=en. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to opendebateforum@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >opendebateforum+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opendebateforum?hl=en. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. >To post to this group, send email to opendebateforum@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to opendebateforum+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/opendebateforum?hl=en. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Debate Political Forum IMHO" group. 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