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Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Re: Obama Touts GM as Success and the elimination of bin laden...

LAME......

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:35 AM, <thematter65@aol.com> wrote:

go Obama!!

bush had 8 years to get bin laden, but he chose to coddle terrorists while bankrupting the country....

you mutant...

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From: lew <lewcoop@aol.com>
To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Obama Touts GM as Success While Market Share, Stock Price Decline

ANYTHINHG MORE PATHETIC THAN MATTE CHANGING TITLES?    MATTE REDUCED TO  MINORITY OF ONE PERSON - MATTE - DOING THIS SLIME.    On Aug 1, 7:26 am, thematte...@aol.com wrote:  > asshole kreepy lew - GM is alive, and bin laden is dead, you should be proud   to be american, why do you hate american children?  >  > you stupid, annoying piece of rat turd...  >  >  >  > -----Original Message-----  > From: lew <lewc...@aol.com>  > To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>  > Sent: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 7:11 am  > Subject: Obama Touts GM as Success While Market Share, Stock Price Decline  >  > Obama Touts GM as Success While Market Share, Stock Price Decline  >  > biggovernment..com  >  by Tony Lee31 Jul 201228  >  > Obama and his campaign have gone all-in in running on what they have  > spun as the successful turnaround of General Motors (GM), which  > received nearly $50 billion in taxpayer bailout money.  >  > The Obama campaign wants to use GM to prove not only Obama's  > managerial skills and instincts but to contrast Obama with Romney,  > whose past successes in the private sector give him a considerable  > advantage over Obama when it comes to economic issues.  >  > Since Romney did not support the GM bailout, Obama's team is betting  > on GM to neutralize the advantage Romney has over Obama on the  > economy.  >  > For this reason, Obama's "Betting on America" campaign theme is a not-  > so-subtle reference to GM.  >  > But as executive turmoil within GM again bubbled to the surface this  > week, the Obama administration's record on GM should be examined more  > closely.  >  > And on examination, they have continually over-promising and under-  > delivering since the company relaunched in November of 2010 after  > receiving billions in taxpayer dollars.  >  > And because of the way GM has been mismanaged, there has been constant  > turmoil and turnover within the top ranks of the company since it went  > public.  >  > But Obama's administration and GM's CEO Dan Ackerson have largely been  > absolved by the press of any blame they deserve.  >  > Since GM declared bankruptcy in 2009 and was bailed out by the Obama  > administration, Obama and GM executives have publicly set business  > benchmarks -- such as market share -- they have failed to reach while  > publicly pumping up GM's stock and prospects.  >  > When GM's stock debuted on November 18, 2010 at $33 a share, Obama  > said the "tough decisions" that led to the bailout were beginning to  > pay off, according to a CNN report.  >  > "American taxpayers are now in a position to recover more than my  > administration invested in GM," Obama said at a press conference  > then.  >  > Steven Rattner, who headed the Presidential Task Force on the Auto  > Industry that managed the bailout, pumped up GM in January of 2011,  > saying, "recent progress at GM gives reason for optimism that it may  > be possible for taxpayers to get every penny back," according to  > Investor's Business Daily (IBD).  >  > In June of 2011, Rattner, whose financial misdeeds prompted  > authorities to seek to ban him from trading securities for life,  > continued praising GM's prospects.  >  > "As a pure investment matter, if I were managing this piece of  > capital, I would hang on at the moment," Rattner said. "I've got my  > fingers crossed the market will generally improve and GM with it and  > the government will be able to get out and it'll be a good outcome for  > everybody."  >  > GM's turnaround plan assumed, as its starting point, a market share of  > at least 19 percent.  >  > "The public plan is 19 percent and change. That is what everything is  > being based on," GM board member Stephen Girsky said during a panel  > discussion at a conference at Columbia Business School in October of  > 2009.  >  > In January of 2010, former GM CEO Ed Whitacre promised taxpayers would  > make a profit on the $50 billion bailout. These comments were  > consistent with Obama's.  >  > "I think the government's investment is well placed and I think  > they'll make a lot of money," Whitacre told reporters after an event  > at the annual auto show here Monday morning. "It won't be too long."  >  > But after all the rosy talk and rhetoric, GM had to deal with hard  > numbers.  >  > In August of 2011, GM's original IPO price had declined by 20%. Dan  > Akerson said then that GM's board told him that they did not want a  > "transitional CEO."  >  > "I know what I'm signing up for. As long as I make my numbers, I'll  > probably keep the job," Akerson said. "If I don't, then I shouldn't  > keep the job. That's the way it works."  >  > Akerson continued his rosy forecasts when he said that in a few years,  > "I think people will go, 'Wow, I'm glad we invested in GM.' I'm  > talking about the American taxpayer," Akerson said, according to USA  > Today.  >  > In January 2012, GM's market share declined to 18.4 percent, and this  > time Akerson changed gears and said this had been his plan all along,  > which contradicts what had been said by GM board members in 2009.  >  > "I like profitability more than I do market share. We're a mass  > producer and scale matters to us, but obviously we'll look for margin  > and profitability going into 2012," Akerson said, according to  > Reuters.  >  > Even in the US market that now provides the lion's share of its  > profit, GM is losing ground to its competition. According to GM's most  > recent earnings report, North American market share has also fallen  > for the last three quarters, now standing at 16.4%.  >  > When GM's stock price continued to decline, Ackerson, in June of 2012,  > could not change gears anymore and had to apologize for GM's tanking  > stock price.  >  > "I regret the stock has not done well post-IPO. I assure you we're all  > dedicated to improving that over the medium to long term," Akerson  > said.  >  > Just two months earlier, Akerson had said he hoped GM would return to  > investment-grade within the year.  >  > "There are things that will happen over the next year or so that will  > drive that decision," Akerson said in an interview at Bloomberg  > headquarters in May.  >  > When asked if GM would get an investment rating in 12 months during  > the same interview, Akerson replied, "I hope so, but I don't know."  >  > And in the meantime, GM's market share has been eroding. In fact, GM's  > overall market share to date in 2012 is 18.1%, according to the Wall  > Street Journal.  >  > The Treasury still owns roughly 30% of GM, and since GM's shares are  > worth less than 2/3 of their original value, it is going to be  > extremely difficult for taxpayers to recover what they put in --  > against their will, in many cases -- to GM.  >  > Even worse, the way GM has been managed reflects poorly on the Obama  > administration and raises questions about his ability to manage -- let  > alone turnaround -- America's economy.  >  > When former GM CEO Whitacre abruptly resigned, Akerson, who got on  > GM's board because of his connection to those in the Treasury  > Department, abruptly -- and surprisingly -- became the company's CEO.  >  > Commenting on GM for CNBC in August of 2010, Phil LeBeau wrote that  > "there are few answers coming from GM, and even fewer coming from the  > Treasury department which appointed Dan Akerson to the GM board last  > year and as the majority shareholder has to know what's going on."  > LeBeau asked questions in August of 2010 that seem even more relevant  > today and in light of the distressing news coming out of GM:  >  > If Ed Whitacre told the board earlier this year that he was not going  > to stick around, why did the GM board wait until now to make a quick  > selection of Akerson as CEO? Shouldn't the board have moved sooner?  > Wouldn't that have made Wall Street more comfortable heading into a GM  > IPO? Instead, for the second time in the last nine months a GM CEO is  > suddenly stepping down.  >  > LeBeau also observed two years ago, in something that could have  > written this week, that it had been "common to hear people blast the  > old GM board of directors as being short-sighted, poorly run, and an  > example of how a board of directors should NOT function," but the  > current board may be even worse.  >  > Concerning Akerson's sudden appointment, LeBeau noted that there was  > not a public search for a new CEO, Whitacre's resignation and  > Akerson's selection caught other GM executives by surprise, and the  > process looked "like a rush job akin to a high school student council  > picking its next president."  >  > "In short, many people, including investors, are wondering how  > decisions are being made at GM and whether this company is so intent  > on getting an IPO done that it's dropped the ball when it comes to  > corporate governance," LeBeau asserted.  >  > And yet, GM still remains a central part of Obama's campaign  > strategy.  >  > When Romney visited a GM plant in June for a campaign event, Obama  > rapid response director Lis Smith said, "Romney's decision to hold an  > event today at a GM supplier in Ohio highlights how, if he'd had his  > way, the American auto industry and the more than a million jobs it  > supports would cease to exist today."  >  > "GM and Chrysler are in existence, creating jobs, and posting some of  > their most profitable quarters in history because President Obama bet  > on American workers," Smith boasted. "The real question is whether  > Mitt Romney — at his economy-focused event today — will explain to  > Ohioans why he opposed saving an industry that is responsible for one  > out of eight jobs in their state."  >  > And, as TPM notes, Obama has referenced GM many times on the stump.  >  > "Together, we're fighting our way back," Obama has said. "When some  > wanted to let Detroit go bankrupt, we made a bet on American workers,  > on the ingenuity of American companies. And today, our auto industry  > is back on top of the world."  >  > But GM seems to hardly be on "top of the world."  >  > As Breitbart News editor Ben Shapiro noted, "Obama may have bailed out  > GM, but he didn't bail out the taxpayer – and in the long run, GM  > won't be a viable business just because the government cut it a  > check."  >  > GM's decline suggests the debate going forward should not be about how  > successfully Obama turned GM around  >  > ...  >  > read more »    --   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open   Debate Political Forum IMHO" group.  To post to this group, send email to OpenDebateForum@googlegroups.com  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to OpenDebateForum-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com  For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/OpenDebateForum?hl=en  

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