Re: Obama taxes the middleclass

A key difference is that federal government cannot go bankrupt. States and municipalities can and are thus required to have balanced budgets.
We are old enough to have managed pension funds. In most states teachers have their pension deducted from social security since legislators thought we wre double dipping..
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geoffrey theist <gtheist957@gmail.com> wrote:

>no lynn this is the same situation facing every entity, state and local
>governments and any entities offering pensions and insurance to retirees.
>with an aging population the ratio of pensioners to contributors is very
>upside down obama care deals with this effectively by parring down health
>care to senior citizens relying on government assisted health care, death
>panels.you can talk all the bullshit you want the people who paid into the
>system will find that they were hoodwinked by the federal government when
>the social security trust fund was placed in the GENERAL fund, you
>yourself maybe may suffer. good luck
>
>On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM, <lynnk05@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree, I did not like the mandate idea at all. I am aware that there are
>> many younger persons (most of the western world) that think they will never
>> be ill and so they don't need insurance, which works well until something
>> happens...diabetes, hit by a bus, snoking, skin cancer....most of these
>> diseases are now beginning at earlier ages. I don't know why. Could be
>> environmental. I do think something needed to be done, and at least we have
>> a starting point at health insurance for everyone.
>>
>> I don't know if you saw the NBC show last week when it was revealed that
>> one hospital had the bill collector talk to the patients BEFORE any
>> services were rendered. That's obnoxious, especially since medical care is
>> the only thing we consume without knowing the price before we consume it.
>> So, I am hopeful that the pressure from the IRS (who will collect the tax)
>> will do some work on pricing. Just watching the billing from my very own
>> surgery last month was enough to make anyone dizzy. I get a bill twice a
>> week for the same services and always different amounts. When it stablizies
>> I will pay it. It's a real mess.
>>
>> It took us several hundred years to get the Constitution where it is, as
>> well as civil rights and other issues...I think we have a lot of
>> negotiations in the future. Obama will be remembered as the first president
>> who got legislation passed allowing most Americans better health care. L
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nominal9-Bomb-Throwin-Anarchist <nominal9@yahoo.com>
>> To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 1:34 pm
>> Subject: Re: Obama taxes the middleclass
>>
>> Hi Lynne,
>>
>> I was AGAINST the mandate..... precisely BECAUSE it served corporate
>> interests.... forcing a lot of people, who can afford it, to buy PRIVATE
>> INSURANCE.....
>> So, I'd say that Roberts stayed true to his "corporate" interests... made
>> the insurance companies a boat-load of money....
>> Now, let's see if the "feds" can, in the future, arrange to lower private
>> insurance premium costs... because not buying medical insurance at all is
>> no longer an option for anyone of even moderate means....
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:57:31 AM UTC-4, lyn...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> To answer jgg;s question: Justice Roberts - a conservative. He usually
>>> votes corporate interests. I was surprised that Kennedy did not vote with
>>> the liberals, but life is full of surprises.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: thematter65 <thematter65@aol.com>
>>> To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.**com<opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
>>> >
>>> Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 10:47 am
>>> Subject: Re: Obama taxes the middleclass
>>>
>>> haha, poor jinglenutz, always wrong about everything....face it, you
>>> murdoch ball lapping corporatist shill, the ACA is constitutional, the
>>> larger pool of insured will make insurance premiums go down in price, and
>>> the middleclass will have more disposable income, you stupid piece of shit,
>>> go to hell, fuck face....
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jgg1000a <jgg1000@hotmail.com>
>>> To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.**com<opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
>>> >
>>> Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2012 11:36 am
>>> Subject: Obama taxes the middleclass
>>>
>>> Of course Obama will pull a Bill Clinton and claim it is not a tax...
>>> Who is lying???
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