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Monday, July 2, 2012

Re: CENSORSHIP

Ya know, I looked back on some of his posts,  it only requested his  "post" be allowed, nothing about him rejoining the group. Basically, I meant I ignore his posts , as I do many others. Yes, I did write that, and it was a poor choice of words.
 
In a message dated 7/2/2012 2:08:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SpaceRace65@aol.com writes:
Tell me you didn't write the following post.  I realize it means nothing since you're no longer a co-owner.  But at the time you wrote it you thought you were:
 
I seriously doubt Donna is sad. She left the group on her own accord. Has not applied to be reinstated. Now, Pred has, and I just ignored him
 
VT does not respond to emails, even those in which I tried to inform him that he had a hacker.  He is obviously too busy spreading his shit among all the other forums he can find.  If he is the one censoring Pred and allowing the two twins to stay, then he's very unfair and biased because those two never have anything to say but personal insults and insults of handicapped and elderly people (and I'm not just talking about Carmen).
 
A couple of years ago when Pred was put on monitoring status for a couple of weeks for using the N word, he sat there for a couple of months at least and finally decided to unsubscribe.  But he could not do so.  He tried everything but could not quit the forum and could not get reinstated until King VT got good and ready to reinstate him.  An absentee owner who cannot be contacted is useless.
 
Yes, I believe most of the people on the list are trapped.  There are a few posters, a few lurkers, and I would bet the majority have us blocked because they can't unsubscribe.
 
And yes, the group has lost its focus.  There is no point in anyone making more than 12-15 posts per day on a political subject.  Lesjulia has done much better lately, though his posts are still mostly nonsensical.  But when Soprano was here both she and he were doing close to 100 each per day about nothing in particular. Matter has a nasty habit of insulting almost every post written by a Republican, particularly jgg. And that is a waste.  Surely the man has something to do besides act like an idiot.
 
When Pred posts he does maybe 3 or 4 per day, all on subject, many times with proof.  I normally do maybe half a dozen a week - some on, a few off politics, such as this thread.
 
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In a message dated 7/1/2012 7:50:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Annie39@aol.com writes:
Space, please do me a favor and quit deciding on what I would do or say.  I am perfectly capable to speak for myself, and think for that matter. 1) OK, that being said, I posted below I tried or would reinstate Pred, , never said I wouldn't if I could.  2) You need to speak to VT to find out if he is not allowing Pred back on the forum. 3)  Yes, this group has over 1000 members, and only about a doz, if that, that are posting.  Trapped?  No, the rest don't post because this group has lost it's focus and concentrates on childish gibberish instead. Tell me the ratio between political  debate and nonsense posts, and you will see for yourself.
 
In a message dated 7/1/2012 5:05:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SpaceRace65@aol.com writes:
Okay, the story now reads that you didn't censor him because you couldn't; but you would have if you could have.  I can dig it.  Now someone else is censoring him because he's still not posting and I can't see how it's such a big deal to change someone's S/N in an open forum.  PL used to claim he could unsubscribe and sign back on in just a few minutes when no one else could even unsubscribe.  That's probably why there are about 1400 members and only about a dozen or a few more active posters.  The rest are trapped.
 
Next time VT's hacker sends out a note on how he got rich, take a look at the address list.  There are 7 or 8 forums listed.  No wonder he doesn't have time for us anymore.
 
In a message dated 6/30/2012 8:30:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Annie39@aol.com writes:
Well, space, I have some news for you.  In checking today, to see if I could approve Pred again, I discovered that I am not an co-owner at all, anymore, therefore, there was nothing I could or can do.  I think when VT created the new group, etc, he did not list me as one of the co-owners.  So, you see, I am just another poster like you and everyone else, and it was impossible for me to block, censure  or ban anyone.
 
In a message dated 6/30/2012 5:24:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SpaceRace65@aol.com writes:
Annie, I always thought of you as a fair and truthful woman, but you screwed the pooch this time.  You know as well as I do that no one has banned Pred from the forum.  All Pred did was change his S/N and it required approval from one of the powers that be - one of whom is you, to allow him to post again.  Of course you have the right to ignore his posts.  In fact, since you're on AOL you can put him on your spam list and never even see his name in your email list again. 
 
It's odd that you would say his point of view is not legitimate because it is.  It's his point of view.  The fact that that you don't share that point of view is irrelevant.  He speaks with more pure logic than most of the people here, IMHO.  He doesn't have to rely on "feelings" like those of the left do.
 
Finally,  oh yes, you HAVE blocked someone's entry.  You blocked Pred's change of S/N request.  He thought he was on the forum all this time, receiving our posts but not able to post back.  On second thought, that's not blocking, that's censorship. And you IGNORED him. 
 
Thanks to Lynne, who refused to ignore the problem,, he will hopefully soon be able to post with the rest of us again.
 
Perhaps it is you who should think.  Since you are a co-owner of this forum, you should act like one.
 
In a message dated 6/30/2012 7:15:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Annie39@aol.com writes:
Space, for the last time, no one has banned Pred from this forum, unless VT did and I am not aware of it.  If I ignore his posts, I have that right just as you do. If he posts a legit point of view, I read, but 99% of the time he just rants and raves nonsense.  Oh, yeah, I have NEVER blocked anyone's entry.  You ever think , because he changed his SN, that the powers that be look at him as a new poster and requires acceptance in joining this forum?   Think, Space, you know I am not unfair. 
 
In a message dated 6/30/2012 12:49:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SpaceRace65@aol.com writes:
 Now, Pred has, and I just ignored him
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Is what you're saying that you have taken it on yourself to ban Pred from this forum, the OPEN DEBATE (IMHO) forum for no particular reason other than you don't care for his point of view?  That, Annie, is chicken shit.  You can ignore him on the forum like you do some of the others.  You  don't have to block his entry.
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2012 6:37:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Annie39@aol.com writes:
I seriously doubt Donna is sad.  She left the group on her own accord.  Has not applied to be reinstated.  Now, Pred has, and I just ignored him
 
 
In a message dated 6/29/2012 6:59:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lesjulia1@gmail.com writes:
I hate to see anyone not being abled to post, we're all human

i know she's sad about it

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