RE: When you attack a country,INNOCENT people die and suffer.

If you read the information on that website apparently dedicated to
disproving any rationale for invading Iraq, the fact remains that the best
information available from trusted sources was otherwise. If incorrect, it
does NOT constitute a lie which would have only be acceptable or correct
terminology if Bush had received the information from his intelligence
agencies which indicated what the article, and the film, allege and ordered
those agencies to change their reports to indicate that the threat remained
real. There is no evidence indicating that to be the case. BTW unlike this
comment indicates "Despite the conclusions of the DOE – which possessed the
most knowledge and experience about nuclear centrifuges of any U.S.
intelligence agency", the DOE is NOT an intelligence agency any more that
Ambassador Joseph Wilson was a competent, trained, intelligence agent
capable of evaluating raw data obtained in the field such as the "Yellow
Cake" controversy.

In any case, the only definitive piece of evidence against this
being a reasonable part of the case to invade Iraq was the CIA's own
internal investigation which, in hindsight, allowed them in 2004 to state
that their previous report was incorrect.

Only those who still seek a smoking gun to hurt Bush, or at least
his legacy at this point, in retaliation for the tarnished legacy of Bill
Clinton and the setback to the progressive agenda that Clinton began and
Bush further delayed are capable of continuing to attempt to rule the
invasion of Iraq and the regime change that took place shortly thereafter, a
policy that was first instituted by no less than Bill Clinton himself in
1998.

I imagine that the one quickly dismissed comment by the Obama
Administration official that the Global War on Terror is over is heartily
believed in the ranks of the progressives as well despite the fact that it
appears Obama will not be pulling troops out of Afghanistan as precipitously
as wished by the left. One thing that the Obama regime has proven to many
Americans who are slightly and moderately left and to those who are any
distance to the right is that every vestige of the far left progressive
scourge much be flushed from the Democratic Party and from any elected
position whatsoever.


Tom

"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
The Shit has hit the Fan"
"Hiding in Honduras"
- Warren Zevon

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[mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mg
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 8:42 PM
To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
Subject: Re: When you attack a country,INNOCENT people die and suffer.

Here's an example of a bush lie:

"Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to
enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon."
- President Bush, Speech Before the United Nations
http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_aluminum.php


On May 22, 11:13 am, "Tom" <boldsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>         What exactly would his lie have been?  That he believed that
> they had WMDs or that WMDs formed his rationale for invading?  If all
> intelligence agencies worldwide with which we had cooperation said
> that their best estimate was that he did and if Saddam himself stated
> that he did, what lie did Bush tell us?  If it was that the basis for
> the invasion was solely the presence of WMDs that would be a
> falsehood, not on Bush's head but on the heads of those who so stated
> since Bush's statements concerning the reason for invading listed
> approximately 21 reasons and not just WMDs.
>
>         That is where any claims of culpability for violating Use of
> Force requirements falls short and devolves into a political snipe
> hunt rather than an honest evaluation of fact.  BTW, discovery of 500
> drums of chemical weapons, whether they were old and present prior to
> 1991 or not, is the discovery of 500 drums of chemical weapons.  As
> for the claims that they would no longer have constituted a threat, my
> training and experience as an RN, as a graduate of USAMRRID's
> Management of Chemical Casualties course, and as a former trained
> Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare defense officer tells me how
> ill informed those who claimed that particular point are in reality.  
> One of the first things I learned in NBC school was the story of the
> French Farmer from Ypres, France who was clearing one of his fields of
> trees in 1954.  He took a break and sat for a while on the stump of
> one of the trees that he had felled.  Three hours later he was in the
> local Emergency Room with Mustard gas induced chemical burns of his
> buttocks and upper legs. Ypres was the site of the first use of chemical
agents by the Germans in 1915 and mustard gas was one of the agents used
there.
>
> Tom
>
> "Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
> The Shit has hit the Fan"
> "Hiding in Honduras"
> - Warren Zevon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:42 AM
> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
> Subject: Re: When you attack a country,INNOCENT people die and suffer.
>
> I think if you were to ask George Bush why he invaded Iraq, he would
> say "we thought they had weapons of mass destruction", which would be
> a lie, of course.
>
> So what's the real reason he invaded Iraq? The short answer is
> corporate profits.
>
> On May 22, 7:48 am, OccupySpring <soprano.olivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bush had NO REASON to attack Iraq.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta-khdm8SJA&feature=related
>
> > Be sure to read the comments, remember you tube is global and people
> > from many countries can make comments.
>
> > How did you feel during 9/11, Now multiply that by a 1000 fold and
> > thats what we did to the innocent people in Iraq.
>
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