Re: Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will

I LOVE guys, But Lynn is female, I think.




On May 29, 6:04 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you've had it too easy
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> RICH GIRL
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> you're suppose to like guys, remember
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> On 5/29/12, OccupySpring <soprano.olivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > You kiss him, he has cooties!
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> > On May 29, 5:40 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> yes, he's a college snot, whoop his ass good
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> >> imitate his style
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> >> beat him at his own game of being vague
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> >> On 5/29/12, OccupySpring <soprano.olivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > Lynn hates me, should I care? :o)
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> >> > On May 29, 5:12 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> A few sharp-eyed observers inside and outside the government
> >> >> understood what the public did not. Without showing his hand, Mr.
> >> >> Obama had preserved three major policies — rendition, military
> >> >> commissions and indefinite detention — that have been targets of human
> >> >> rights groups since the 2001 terrorist attacks.
>
> >> >> But a year later, with Congress trying to force him to try all
> >> >> terrorism suspects using revamped military commissions, he deployed
> >> >> his legal skills differently — to preserve trials in civilian courts.
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> >> >> The president "seems to think that if he gives terrorists the rights
> >> >> of Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights,
> >> >> we won't be at war," former Vice President Dick Cheney charged
>
> >> >> F.B.I. agents had questioned Mr. Abdulmutallab for 50 minutes and
> >> >> gained valuable intelligence before giving him the warning. They had
> >> >> relied on a 1984 case called New York v. Quarles, in which the Supreme
> >> >> Court ruled that statements made by a suspect in response to urgent
> >> >> public safety questions — the case involved the location of a gun —
> >> >> could be introduced into evidence even if the suspect had not been
> >> >> advised of the right to remain silent.
>
> >> >> That same mind-set would be brought to bear as the president
> >> >> intensified what would become a withering campaign to use unmanned
> >> >> aircraft to kill Qaeda terrorists.
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> >> >> It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting
> >> >> civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts
> >> >> all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to
> >> >> several administration officials, unless there is explicit
> >> >> intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.
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> >> >> Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple
> >> >> logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a
> >> >> top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good. "Al Qaeda is an
> >> >> insular, paranoid organization — innocent neighbors don't hitchhike
> >> >> rides in the back of trucks headed for the border with guns and
> >> >> bombs," said one official, who requested anonymity to speak about what
> >> >> is still a classified program.
>
> >> >> This counting method may partly explain the official claims of
> >> >> extraordinarily low collateral deaths. In a speech last year Mr.
> >> >> Brennan, Mr. Obama's trusted adviser, said that not a single
> >> >> noncombatant had been killed in a year of strikes. And in a recent
> >> >> interview, a senior administration official said that the number of
> >> >> civilians killed in drone strikes in Pakistan under Mr. Obama was in
> >> >> the "single digits" — and that independent counts of scores or
> >> >> hundreds of civilian deaths unwittingly draw on false propaganda
> >> >> claims by militants.
>
> >> >> But in interviews, three former senior intelligence officials
> >> >> expressed disbelief that the number could be so low. The C.I.A.
> >> >> accounting has so troubled some administration officials outside the
> >> >> agency that they have brought their concerns to the White House. One
> >> >> called it "guilt by association" that has led to "deceptive" estimates
> >> >> of civilian casualties.
>
> >> >> It was not only Mr. Obama's distaste for legislative backslapping and
> >> >> arm-twisting, but also part of a deeper pattern, said an
> >> >> administration official who has watched him closely: the president
> >> >> seemed to have "a sense that if he sketches a vision, it will happen —
> >> >> without his really having thought through the mechanism by which it
> >> >> will happen."
>
> >> >> Asked what surprised him most about Mr. Obama, Mr. Donilon, the
> >> >> national security adviser, answered immediately: "He's a president who
> >> >> is quite comfortable with the use of force on behalf of the United
> >> >> States."
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> >> >> On 5/29/12, Leader of 71 <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >> > [image: The New York Times] <http://www.nytimes.com/>
> >> >> > <http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?type=goto&opzn&page=www...>
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> >> >> > ------------------------------
> >> >> > May 29, 2012
> >> >> > Secret 'Kill List' Proves a Test of Obama's Principles and WillBy JO
> >> >> > BECKER<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/jo_becke...>
> >> >> >  and SCOTT
> >> >> > SHANE<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/scott_sh...>
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> >> >> > WASHINGTON — This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook
> >> >> > layout.
> >> >> > Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who
> >> >> > looked
> >> >> > even younger than her 17 years.
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> >> >> > President
> >> >> > Obama<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_o...>,
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> >> >> > overseeing the regular Tuesday counterterrorism meeting of two dozen
> >> >> > security officials in the White House Situation Room, took a moment
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > study the faces. It was Jan. 19, 2010, the end of a first year in
> >> >> > office
> >> >> > punctuated by terrorist plots and culminating in a brush with
> >> >> > catastrophe
> >> >> > over Detroit on Christmas Day, a reminder that a successful attack
> >> >> > could
> >> >> > derail his presidency. Yet he faced adversaries without uniforms,
> >> >> > often
> >> >> > indistinguishable from the civilians around them.
>
> >> >> > "How old are these people?" he asked, according to two officials
> >> >> > present.
> >> >> > "If they are starting to use children," he said of Al
> >> >> > Qaeda<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/a...>,
>
> >> >> > "we are moving into a whole different phase."
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> >> >> > It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > helm
>
> >> >> > of a top secret "nominations" process to designate terrorists for
> >> >> > kill
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical.
> >> >> > He
> >> >> > had
> >> >> > vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the
> >> >> > chart,
> >> >> > introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order,
> >> >> > underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be.
>
> >> >> > Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the
> >> >> > Iraq
> >> >> > war
> >> >> > and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an
> >> >> > expanding
> >> >> > "kill list," poring over terrorist suspects' biographies on what one
> >> >> > official calls the macabre "baseball cards" of an unconventional
> >> >> > war.
> >> >> > When
> >> >> > a rare opportunity for a
> >> >> > drone<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/u/unmann...>
> >> >> > strike
> >> >> > at a top terrorist arises — but his family is with him — it is the
> >> >> > president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation.
>
> >> >> > "He is determined that he will make these decisions about how far
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > wide
> >> >> > these operations will go," said Thomas E. Donilon, his national
> >> >> > security
> >> >> > adviser. "His view is that he's responsible for the position of the
> >> >> > United
> >> >> > States in the world." He added, "He's determined to keep the tether
> >> >> > pretty
> >> >> > short."
>
> >> >> > Nothing else in Mr. Obama's first term has baffled liberal
> >> >> > supporters
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > confounded conservative critics alike as his aggressive
> >> >> > counterterrorism
> >> >> > record. His actions have often remained inscrutable, obscured by
> >> >> > awkward
> >> >> > secrecy rules, polarized political commentary and the president's
> >> >> > own
> >> >> > deep
> >> >> > reserve.
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> >> >> > In interviews with The New York Times, three dozen of his current
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > former advisers described Mr. Obama's evolution since taking on the
> >> >> > role,
> >> >> > without precedent in presidential history, of personally overseeing
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > shadow war with Al Qaeda.
>
> >> >> > They describe a paradoxical leader who shunned the legislative
> >> >> > deal-making
> >> >> > required to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba,
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > approves lethal action without hand-wringing. While he was adamant
> >> >> > about
> >> >> > narrowing the fight and improving relations with the Muslim world,
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > has
> >> >> > followed the metastasizing enemy into new and dangerous lands. When
> >> >> > he
> >> >> > applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism, it is usually to
> >> >> > enable,
> >> >> > not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al Qaeda — even when
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > comes
>
> >> >> > to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a decision that Mr. Obama
> >> >> > told
> >> >> > colleagues was "an easy one."
>
> >> >> > His first term has seen private warnings from top officials about a
> >> >> > "Whac-A-Mole" approach to counterterrorism; the invention of a new
> >> >> > category
>
> >> >> > of aerial attack following
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