Re: Here are some facts about the debt and the deficit and Bush and Obama

I know there have been some congressional proposals to amend TARP, but
I don't know if any of them have passed. It seems like I remember
something about the idea of converting the money owed to the
government to common stock, but I don't know if that ever happened.

One can get lost quickly and not be able to see the forest for the
trees when talking about a fantasy Obama spree. The question I have
been asking right wingers for a long time now, though, is to tell me
specifically where he spent all that money if they believe he has been
on a spending spree, and of course they never can, except for blaming
the stimulus for everything.

On May 28, 4:25 pm, EARL DOYLE <lesjul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MG, Obama made an amendment to TARP
>
> On 5/28/12, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>
> > The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was signed into law by George
> > W. Bush on October 3, 2008. Obama didn't become president until Jan.
> > 20, 2009.
>
> > On May 28, 12:12 pm, jgg1000a <jgg1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Tarp was a joint product of Bush and Obama...
>
> >> On May 26, 5:02 pm, lynn...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> > Lew evidently has some memory problems...TARP and the early stimulus
> >> > packages were BUSH initiatives, just a NAFTA belonged to his daddy. L
>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com>
> >> > To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 11:34 am
> >> > Subject: Re: Here are some facts about the debt and the deficit and Bush
> >> > and Obama
>
> >> > As I said in my original post, most economists agree that the one-time
> >> > spending for the stimulus
> >> > was necessary and
> >> > beneficial.http://www.advisorone.com/2012/02/17/the-stimulus-three-years-on-did-...
>
> >> > In addition, the consensus among nonideological economists is that the
> >> > measures taken by Obama and the Federal Reserve prevented the
> >> > recession from becoming worse or even turning into a second Great
> >> > Depression.http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/fact-check-romney-on-th...
>
> >> > On May 26, 5:08 am, lew <lewc...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> > > Bush is not running for president.
>
> >> > > Obama solved nothing and the country became worse under Obama.
>
> >> > > TIME FOR A CHANGE !
>
> >> > > On May 26, 3:47 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > The costs ballooned before Obama took office. As I said, the CBO
> >> > > > estimated that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 (10/1/2008 -
> >> > > > 9/30/2009) would be $1.2 trillion before Obama was even sworn in as
> >> > > > president.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/27/barack...
>
> >> > > > If you look at the graph at the following website, you can see
> >> > > > exactly
> >> > > > what caused the $1.2 trillion deficit in 2009 and subsequent years.
> >> > > > Note that for 2009 a lot of it was because of the economic crash
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > the TARP bailout. Here's a quote from the referenced article:
>
> >> > > > "The recession battered the budget, driving down tax revenues and
> >> > > > swelling outlays for unemployment insurance, food stamps, and other
> >> > > > safety-net programs.[3] Using CBO's August 2008 projections as a
> >> > > > benchmark, we calculate that the changed economic outlook alone
> >> > > > accounts for over $400 billion of the deficit each year in 2009
> >> > > > through 2011 and slightly smaller amounts in subsequent years.
> >> > > > Those
> >> > > > effects persist; even in 2018, the deterioration in the economy
> >> > > > since
> >> > > > the summer of 2008 will account for over $300 billion in added
> >> > > > deficits, much of it in the form of additional debt-service costs."
>
> >> > > >http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490
>
> >> > > > On May 25, 8:39 am, lew <lewc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > Bush never signed a 2009 budget.  Just Obama has never signed a
> >> > > > > 2010,
> >> > > > > 2011, 2012 nor 2013 budget.
>
> >> > > > > Why is Obama over-spending income by $1.5 trillion dollars while
> >> > > > > Bush
> >> > > > > never over spent income by more than $600 Bilion dollars with the
> >> > > > > exact same wars?  Bush was fighting those wars for 5 and 6 years.
> >> > > > >  Al
> >> > > > > the sudden the costs balloned when Obama shows up?
>
> >> > > > > On May 25, 10:15 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > The cost of the wars will continue to add up long after they are
> >> > > > > > over.
> >> > > > > > By one estimate the total cost will be $4
> >> > > > > > trillion.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/much-wars-cost-report-says-4-tril...
>
> >> > > > > > The budget for Oct 2008 to Sept. 2009 began as a spending
> >> > > > > > request by
> >> > > > > > Bush, who had been in office 8 years, and was signed by Obama on
> >> > > > > > Mar
> >> > > > > > 12, 2009, which was about 50 days after he took office. If
> >> > > > > > someone
> >> > > > > > plants a time bomb, he doesn't have to sign it to make it go
> >> > > > > > off.
>
> >> > > > > > It's very true that Obama has failed to end the war that Bush
> >> > > > > > started.
> >> > > > > > However, it's also true that it's easier to start a war than it
> >> > > > > > is to
> >> > > > > > end it.
>
> >> > > > > > Obama hasn't spent very much money that I know of except for
> >> > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > stimulus and except for continuing the policies that were in
> >> > > > > > place
> >> > > > > > when he took office. In fact, when you think about it, what
> >> > > > > > significant amounts of money has he spent, except for the
> >> > > > > > stimulus
> >> > > > > > money and what money did George Bush spent and what did he spend
> >> > > > > > it
> >> > > > > > on?
>
> >> > > > > > On May 25, 6:55 am, lew <lewc...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > How did Iraq explin so much deficit?
>
> >> > > > > > > The Itraq War only cost about $1 trillionfrom beginning to
> >> > > > > > > end. - Same
> >> > > > > > > as the Styimulus that went to the unions.
>
> >> > > > > > > Afhanistan is "Obama's War."  The War we need to fight in
> >> > > > > > > Obama's
> >> > > > > > > words.
>
> >> > > > > > > P.S.: Bush never signed a budget for 2009.  All the spending
> >> > > > > > > in 2009
> >> > > > > > > is Obama'spending.  Obama has been over spending his income by
> >> > > > > > > about
> >> > > > > > > $1,5 trillion each year.  The most Bush ever over spent his
> >> > > > > > > income is
> >> > > > > > > about $400 Billion. - About 2 1/2 timnes the Bush rate of
> >> > > > > > > overspending. in  Bush's worst year.
>
> >> > > > > > > On May 25, 8:44 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > > In doing a little bit of research, I came up with the
> >> > > > > > > > following
> >> > > > > > > > information which appears to be completely accurate:
>
> >> > > > > > > > 1. Before Obama was even sworn in as president, the CBO
> >> > > > > > > > estimated
> >> > that
> >> > > > > > > > the deficit for for fiscal year 2009 (10/1/2008 - 9/30/2009)
> >> > > > > > > > would
> >> > be
> >> > > > > > > > $1.2
> >> > > > > > > > trillion.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/27/barack...
>
> >> > > > > > > > 2. Only a relatively small amount of the stimulus money was
> >> > > > > > > > spent in
> >> > > > > > > > fiscal year 2009. The stimulus didn't really begin to ramp
> >> > > > > > > > up until
> >> > Q1
> >> > > > > > > > of
> >> > > > > > > > 2010.http://keithhennessey.com/2009/06/03/will-the-stimulus-come-too-late/
>
> >> > > > > > > > 3. Most economists agree that the one-time spending for the
> >> > > > > > > > stimulus
> >> > > > > > > > was necessary and
> >> > > > > > > > beneficial.http://www.advisorone.com/2012/02/17/the-stimulus-three-years-on-did-...
>
> >> > > > > > > > 4. The growth in government spending under President Obama
> >> > > > > > > > has been
> >> > > > > > > > slower than during the Bush and Reagan administrations.
> >> > > > > > > > Federal
> >> > > > > > > > spending is lower now than it was when Obama took office.
> >> > > > > > > > The so
> >> > > > > > > > called Obama spending binge never
> >> > > > > > > > happened.http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/03/19/446990/obama-bush-reagan-......
>
> >> > > > > > > > 5. "The economic downturn, President Bush's tax cuts and the
> >> > > > > > > > wars in
> >> > > > > > > > Afghanistan and Iraq explain virtually the entire deficit
> >> > > > > > > > over the
> >> > > > > > > > next ten years (see Figure
> >> > > > > > > > 1)."http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490
>
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