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Subject: RE: There are people who illegally use guns and ammo
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-- From: Larry Talbot <larry.talbot@hotmail.com>
To: opendebateforum <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 3, 2013 4:17 pm
Subject: RE: There are people who illegally use guns and ammo
Poor jiggly. Mr. "Strawman" creator himself.
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:42:35 -0800
From: jgg1000@hotmail.com
To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: There are people who illegally use guns and ammo
Under current law which is not enforced. So instead of seeking more consistent enforce, many seek new restrictions that suit their ideology... Under this law, assuming Obama did no lie in his book, Obama deliberately broke Federal guns by shooting skeet... Who on the Left will demand Obama be charged??? Who on the Left will grant others the SAME RIGHT to break the law without punishment??? If there is an exception for Obama, should it also be available to other Americans??? Under the law use of "illegal substances" bar you from gun or ammo use or ownership...
How is the Left or the NRA going to square this circle without hypocrisy???
http://ace.mu.nu/
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Lets have a round of applause for 18 USC 922 (g)
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-- Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 11:42:35 -0800
From: jgg1000@hotmail.com
To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: There are people who illegally use guns and ammo
Under current law which is not enforced. So instead of seeking more consistent enforce, many seek new restrictions that suit their ideology... Under this law, assuming Obama did no lie in his book, Obama deliberately broke Federal guns by shooting skeet... Who on the Left will demand Obama be charged??? Who on the Left will grant others the SAME RIGHT to break the law without punishment??? If there is an exception for Obama, should it also be available to other Americans??? Under the law use of "illegal substances" bar you from gun or ammo use or ownership...
How is the Left or the NRA going to square this circle without hypocrisy???
http://ace.mu.nu/
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Lets have a round of applause for 18 USC 922 (g)
(g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
(2) who is a fugitive from justice;
(3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien—
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26)));
(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;
(8) who is subject to a court order that—
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to participate;
(B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child; and
(C)
(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
Another point for consideration is the "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance" language. "Unlawful user" is pretty absolutist language, it has no expiration date. It prohibits anyone who ever burned down a splif or partook in a bit of nose candy at a party. Strictly speaking, Obama broke Federal law by touching that shotgun since he's openly admitted he used illegal drugs in the past.
"Medical" marijuana aficionados? Prohibited.
Doctors who've dipped into their sample closets? Prohibited.
Anyone who's been to a rave and did some E? Prohibited.
Anyone who took some Vicodin that wasn't prescribed for them? Prohibited
etc, etc, etc
There's more in this snip of actual law worth of the "national discussion", but this should be enough to get some NO BULLSHIT dialog about started. If people want something changed, they should be able to state how the existing law should be amended. No more gauzy hand waving and BS emotional appeals.
"Medical" marijuana aficionados? Prohibited.
Doctors who've dipped into their sample closets? Prohibited.
Anyone who's been to a rave and did some E? Prohibited.
Anyone who took some Vicodin that wasn't prescribed for them? Prohibited
etc, etc, etc
There's more in this snip of actual law worth of the "national discussion", but this should be enough to get some NO BULLSHIT dialog about started. If people want something changed, they should be able to state how the existing law should be amended. No more gauzy hand waving and BS emotional appeals.
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