On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:02:09 PM UTC-5, Larry wrote:
--Check your diaper again , Jiggly.
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:20:22 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
Once again, I did not blame just one side --YOU DID... Quit trying to blame others for what YOU DO...
In clear English I said
>>> The point is both sides use the Senate rules (including the Filibuster) to game the other...
Why do you demand to paint what others say as "only anti Democrats" when it is clear it is not??? Do you think bullying/repeating a lie is going to set the narrative so facts do not matter???
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:54:52 PM UTC-5, Larry wrote:Not going to work Jiggly. Both parties are guilty of tweaking the rules.Now quit trying to put all blame on the Dems.
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:47:30 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
Larry that was my original point... To which you said
>>> No Jiggly. The Filibuster is fine but if someone is going to filibuster then do it right, make the senator hold the floor for days if necessary.What's wrong with that?
and that ignores the gaming of Senate Rules by Reid... I said
>>> Do you understand the part Reid played in this??? He played the system to eliminate any Republican input (no Committee work, no amendments) and the Republicans responded with using the Filibuster... Both sides were playing the system... But you focus on only on what the GOP did... The Senate works only due to the minority rights provisions...
To which your reply was
>>> Hey Jiggly, I don't care which party did the Filibuster rules.That's not the subject you oaf.The Republicans tried to change the rules last time as did the Dems. They both try to change the rules when they perceive an advantage. Now get on track,Son.
However it was you who sought to change the topic to the GOP misuse of the Filibuster... It was you who was off topic, not me... And you claim I am the oaf??? I replied
>>> 1) Why is there any Filibuster??? Minority Rights. And that was the point of the first post...
2) Why do Senators Filibuster? To stop or slow down action, sometimes as leverage for some action taken by the majority (as Reid's bringing bill not trought committee without letting the GOP do amendments)
3) You seek to limit the filibuster to one action without accepting it is the entire Senate rules used to play the other side.
Your answer?
>>> So what's new and what's your point besides trying to lay all of the blame for the filibuster's use over time solely on the Democrats?
Clearly I never did that, I was you seeking to blame only Republicans... As I said
>>> The point is both sides use the Senate rules (including the Filibuster) to game the other... That you draw the point to be "to lay all of the blame for the filibuster's use over time solely on the Democrats" clearly shows you can not understand English AND your partisanship...
At this point you claim to have said
>>> I believe that I said something close to that.
Larry, you did not say anything close to that... In your dismissive way, you made a fool of yourself and got caught... Only after your trash talking bullying was insufficient to shut down the point did you claim to have agreed with my original point... Try listening rather than dissing...
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:06:21 AM UTC-5, Larry wrote:I believe that I said something close to that.
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 06:40:10 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
The point is both sides use the Senate rules (including the Filibuster) to game the other... That you draw the point to be "to lay all of the blame for the filibuster's use over time solely on the Democrats" clearly shows you can not understand English AND your partisanship...
On Monday, January 28, 2013 6:14:44 PM UTC-5, Larry wrote:So what's new and what's your point besides trying to lay all of the blame for the filibuster's use over time solely on the Democrats?
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:10:36 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
Larry
There are several questions here
1) Why is there any Filibuster??? Minority Rights. And that was the point of the first post...
2) Why do Senators Filibuster? To stop or slow down action, sometimes as leverage for some action taken by the majority (as Reid's bringing bill not trought committee without letting the GOP do amendments)
3) You seek to limit the filibuster to one action without accepting it is the entire Senate rules used to play the other side.
On Monday, January 28, 2013 5:43:30 PM UTC-5, Larry wrote:Hey Jiggly, I don't care which party did the Filibuster rules.That's not the subject you oaf.The Republicans tried to change the rules last time as did the Dems. They both try to change the rules when they perceive an advantage. Now get on track,Son.
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:36:46 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
Do you understand the part Reid played in this??? He played the system to eliminate any Republican input (no Committee work, no amendments) and the Republicans responded with using the Filibuster... Both sides were playing the system... But you focus on only on what the GOP did... The Senate works only due to the minority rights provisions...
And then of course Obama deemed to have the right of defining what a recess is...
As to "doing it right" the majority party should not eliminate the minority party input... But tell that to Reid who does not do budgets...
On Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:56:46 AM UTC-5, Larry wrote:No Jiggly. The Filibuster is fine but if someone is going to filibuster then do it right, make the senator hold the floor for days if necessary.What's wrong with that?
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:55:12 -0800
From: jgg...@hotmail.com
To: opendeb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Changes in the Filibuser Rules
preserves the critical element critical for minority rights -- the requirement for a Super majority. As the article makes clear, Democrats have often used their "minority rights" to protect policies dear to them -- just like Republicans...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-leaders-reach- deal-modifying-filibuster- procedures/2013/01/24/ 48a8ca16-6648-11e2-85f5- a8a9228e55e7_story.html
>>> Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), largely accepting the recommendations from a bipartisan team of senior senators, won broad bipartisan support for a package of reforms that will streamline operations but leave intact rules that give the minority more rights than any other legislative body in the world.
"I'm not personally, at this stage, ready to get rid of the 60-vote threshold," Reid said in an interview Thursday with The Washington Post's Wonkblog. "With the history of the Senate, we have to understand the Senate isn't and shouldn't be like the House."
The compromise averted the Democratic majority's threat to change the Senate's substantive rules on a party-line vote, an action that would have broken new ground, as the chamber's long-standing precedents call for a two-thirds majority to change the rules. Republicans warned that such a move by Reid, which they called a "nuclear option," would have soured bipartisan talks on pending budget and debt legislation. The proposal passed on two separate votes — 78 to 16 and 86 to 9 — that implemented the new rules.
The new rules will essentially short-circuit one filibuster vote during the "motion to proceed" to a bill, when the chamber begins considering legislation. Republicans have increasingly filibustered the motion to begin debating legislation to slow the passage of bills or block them.
GOP senators say they use the move because Reid has been employing an even more arcane maneuver that prevents them from offering amendments to legislation. So the new reforms, crafted by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), will guarantee that the opposing side will be able to offer at least two amendments if Reid tries to avert a chance to do so.
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