RE: The anti-hate hate mob grows

Sorry Lynne, I FOUGHT and/or worked hard my entire life to elevate
my status is society. Many of my surviving brothers from Edison High
School, mostly black, did the same damned thing. It's one thing to be able
to connect with assistance and quite another to be a member of an
unprotected or desired portion of society, as even my "black" survivor
brothers were because they weren't "at risk" by having resorted to crime and
animalistic behavior to make their way and to have road blocks erected in
front of you by a guilt ridden and power hungry element of society such as
suburban white liberal "carers". I'll remind you that I am extremely proud
of my black High School brothers for more reasons than one and part of that
is that 67 of them DID NOT survive their "structured and health care
supplied" military experience as they were killed in Vietnam contributing
more names to the Wall in DC than any other High School in America.

I'll also remind you that before I took my Army Reserve Commission
in 1982 and then entered on the Active Duty roles in 1986 that I had already
fought my way out of the ghetto and firmly into a middle class professional
status so it wasn't military structure that benefitted me in any manner
greater than my nursing school education. As for the health care you appear
to resent, my organization provided (Sisters of Mercy - Misericordia
Hospital) was far more generous than Champus and then TRICARE were for my
family although as an Active Duty soldier the Army Health Care System was
fantastic for me personally although actually it was the equivalent to what
the Sisters of Mercy provided me in all ways OTHER than Dental coverage with
which those Army Dentists were quite comprehensive in my treatment. You need
to stop trying to compare TRICARE to what your Teacher's organization or
school system provides you without knowing the failings of the TRICARE
System Vs many civilian plans because I have one son who was almost ruined
for life by TRICARE (and is just now at age 28 beginning to recover from
their failure at age 14) and one daughter who could well be dead by now were
it not for a very special civilian provider who went face to face with the
TRICARE system to save her.

Just a side note: Had I had the kind of contact you seem to assume
that I must have had, I would not have almost given up when my appointment
to West Point was rescinded in 1967 due to a reviewed "excessive refractive
error" and would have attempted to regain the scholarships that I turned
down when I was notified that I had initially gotten the appointed to the
"Point" and would have gone on to either the Citadel or Pennsylvania
Military College (Now Widner University)and would have graduated from one of
those fine institutions in 1971 with a degree and a commission. I was
actually told by a guidance counselor that she was too busy to help me after
I received the notice rescinding my appointment. Ten minutes and the
information that I should contact the Citadel or PMC could have made all the
difference. No problem, it all worked out regardless, but I have no
tolerance for the sob stories promoted by those who look in from the outside
and demand that I give my assets to those THEY choose rather than those I
choose ( who are invariably also poor but not "at risk").

Tom

"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
The Shit has hit the Fan"
"Hiding in Honduras"
- Warren Zevon


-----Original Message-----
From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
[mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lynnk05@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:55 PM
To: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The anti-hate hate mob grows

Odd argument Tom. I think you might be too focused on rights and less on
responsibility. Since you benefited from the structure of the military and
its health care for your family. Had you grown up without the free education
and legal system, you must consider what could have happened. Now try to
understand what happened to some of these folks...they just could not
connect with help and support and could not recognize what was being offered
as help.l

Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T

Tom <boldsaber@gmail.com> wrote:

>Matte asked a question of you in response to your posting the Beck
>story before, Lew. He asked "Why don't the Koch brothers do something like
that".
>He missed the point that Beck just organized the thing but that Beck
>was joined by Conservatives and religious folk whose only goal was to
>"Help the Poor" with no one twisting their arms or robbing their wallets to
do so.
>AND that is the difference between Conservatism and Progressivism and
>between those with faith and progressive Atheists who shrink back away
>from anyone who says the word God in their presence.
>
>Tom
>
>"Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money,
>The Shit has hit the Fan"
>"Hiding in Honduras"
>- Warren Zevon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: opendebateforum@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:opendebateforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lew
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:55 PM
>To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
>Subject: Re: The anti-hate hate mob grows
>
>I'm for any legal business operating.
>
>The owner of Chiock-A-Fil is free to his opinions just like you.
>
>His religion is different than your.
>
>Why don't you help feed th needy in the manner that Glenn Beck does?
>
>On Jul 30, 11:32 am, thematte...@aol.com wrote:
>> why are you for discrimination, why do you love pollution, were you
>> always
>stupid, or is it just dementia that you have, have you ever had a
>serious head injury?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lew <lewc...@aol.com>
>> To: Open Debate Political Forum IMHO
>> <opendebateforum@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:21 am
>> Subject: The anti-hate hate mob grows
>>
>> The anti-hate hate mob grows
>> legalinsurrection.com
>> osted by William A. Jacobson
>> onday, July 30, 2012 at 10:45am
>> We've seen the Mayors of Boston and Chicago abuse their power to
>> drive
>>  lawful business out of their jurisdictions by threatening to ithhold
>> business permits because the founder and President support he
>> definition of marriage as one man – one woman.
>> When those threats generated an outcry even from many liberals, the
>> ame politicians, joined by the Mayors of San Francisco and D.C., used
>> heir governmental perches to try to demagogue the business out of the
>> ity by telling the business to stay away.
>> A Philadelphia City Councilman is getting in on the act:
>>
>> he Philadelphia City Council will consider a resolution condemning
>> hick-fil-A for what one city leader called "anti-American" attitudes
>> hat promote "hatred, bigotry and discrimination."
>> City Councilman Jim Kenney sent a letter to Chick-fil-A president Dan
>> athy telling him to "take a hike and take your intolerance with you."
>> "My effort is to allow people to understand that in certain segments
>> f corporate America there are folks who are using their dollars to
>> romote hatred, bigotry and discrimination," Kenney told Fox News.
>> He is introducing a resolution to "condemn this anti-American
>> attitude f trying to deny civil liberties that every American enjoys."
>> When challenged on Twitter last night, here was his response:
>>
>> lso add New York City City Council Speaker (and possible next Mayor)
>> hristine Quinn, who is demanding that New York University sever a
>> ontract with Chick-fil-A unless the President of Chick-fil-A changes
>> is view on gay marriage.  As reported by The Village Voice:
>>
>> nter City Council Speaker Christine Quinn. The future mayoral
>> andidate drew her line of opposition to the chicken sandwich urveyor,
>> stating, "Chick-fil-A is not welcome in New York City as ong as the
>> company's president welcomes continues to uphold and romote his
>> discriminatory views."
>> She is referring to President Dan Cathy's remarks on his defense the
>> biblical definition of marriage' and how America should stop
>> uestioning God – these statements were mentioned in yesterday's piece
>> s well. For Ms. Quinn, the 'biblical definition of marriage' is a far
>> ry from reality, especially since she recently wed her longtime
>> artner, Kim M. Catullo.
>> And, with that, she has started her campaign to boot this
>> organization rom NYC's restaurant ranks.
>> Yesterday, Ms. Quinn wrote an open-ended letter to NYU President John
>> exton – just like Mayor Tom Mancino's letter to the Chick-fil-A
>> stablishment – that called for him to throw Chick-fil-A out of the
>> ining hall. She writes,
>>
>> I urge you to sever your relationship with the Chick-fil-A
>> stablishment that exists on your campus. This establishment should be
>> eplaced with an establishment where the ownership does not denigrate
>>  portion of our population."
>> Liberals love the quote "When fascism comes to America, it will come
>> rapped in the flag and waving a cross."
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